Straight Break 9 Ball

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lastdimetaker

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Modern 9 ball break rules that would elevate the game and would solve a lot of problems with using modern template racks.
Simply put eliminate ball in hand on the break shot. I have to shoot in the 9 and play position for my break shot by landing in the kitchen adding pressure on the player at the table. If I don't land in kitchen it would be a win but opponent gets bih behind the line his break. This will change the game in so many ways.
I don't want to go into all my thoughts about this and how it will change the way the game is played but I want it to become something to think about for the future of 9 ball. My inspiration for this idea comes from watching Earl play this way 20 years ago. Nothing new under the sun.
I just think this one rule change will create pressure in ways that will elevate play and simplify the game at the same time.
Straight Break 9 Ball just think about it. Try it out and I bet you will discover it really changes the game for better not worse
Earl would land that cue ball perfectly for his break and I always thought that was the greatest thing I ever saw. I'm all over the place trying to do it and it creates some unusual break shots lol 😆
 
lastdimetaker said:
Simply put eliminate ball in hand on the break shot. I have to shoot in the 9 and play position for my break shot by landing in the kitchen adding pressure on the player at the table. If I don't land in kitchen it would be a win but opponent gets bih behind the line his break.
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Can you say this again using different words ?
or draw a diagram of what you intended to say ?
 
MitchAlsup said:
Can you say this again using different words ?
or draw a diagram of what you intended to say ?
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Straight break as in straight pool.

When you shoot the 9 in to win the game, you must play the CB to land in the kitchen (before the head string). If you do not get the CB into the kitchen, you lose the break and your opponent gets BIH in the kitchen for their break.

Personally I think this could be really fun, might see if my friends want to try it. I have a variation of this. I have a hole reinforcement doughnut (that is printed to look like a pink doughnut with sprinkles) in the dead center of the table. If you land the CB after break or after the money ball, you win money. I add money to it, a dollar or two a week.

The same dollar was there for like 6 months, so I decided to put a $20 up there too. Now there is $30 up there. I add a dollar or two a week. It's the safest money in existence, but it will be a real treat when someone wins it. We also have fun sharking each other on the money ball by saying "that doughnut" really incredulously. It's good fun and someday someone will win it. Much harder than it appears. Very small target on an 8.5' table and you also have to hit it very slow for it to stick in the center of the doughnut.
 
straightline said:
What happens if you land short of the kitchen? I like the continuous idea. I'd go for leaving the 9 as a break ball.
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It's right there in post #1, and then again in the post right before yours (#5).
lastdimetaker said:
If I don't land in kitchen it would be a win but opponent gets bih behind the line his break.
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boogieman said:
If you do not get the CB into the kitchen, you lose the break and your opponent gets BIH in the kitchen for their break.
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lastdimetaker said:
Modern 9 ball break rules that would elevate the game and would solve a lot of problems with using modern template racks.
Simply put eliminate ball in hand on the break shot. I have to shoot in the 9 and play position for my break shot by landing in the kitchen adding pressure on the player at the table. If I don't land in kitchen it would be a win but opponent gets bih behind the line his break. This will change the game in so many ways.
I don't want to go into all my thoughts about this and how it will change the way the game is played but I want it to become something to think about for the future of 9 ball. My inspiration for this idea comes from watching Earl play this way 20 years ago. Nothing new under the sun.
I just think this one rule change will create pressure in ways that will elevate play and simplify the game at the same time.
Straight Break 9 Ball just think about it. Try it out and I bet you will discover it really changes the game for better not worse
Earl would land that cue ball perfectly for his break and I always thought that was the greatest thing I ever saw. I'm all over the place trying to do it and it creates some unusual break shots lol 😆
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That's cool! I'd really like to see a match played that way by two of the top guys. Are any of Earl's old matches (or was it just practice or exhibition?) like that available to watch?
 
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straightline said:
What about the 9 as the break ball? One could even be in the middle?
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He explained how he plays it. Everybody else including you is free to experiment with tweaking those rules and playing by whichever rule modification they end up liking best. If you decide you want to use the 9 as the break ball or whatever in the middle you are talking about or whatever else then go ahead, I can assure you that nobody is going to put a hit out on you for it. Free country and all that, knock yourself out, you have our permission.
 
straightline said:
Feel better? You need to research the copyrights on free thought.
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What the hell "free thought" are you talking about?

You asked a really dumb ass question that was clearly already answered twice in the very short thread, including in the post right before the one where you asked the dumb ass question. I went ahead and answered it for you a third time anyway because I'm nice like that and it's clear you are pretty slow.

Then you asked about using the 9 ball as a break ball. That was already clearly addressed in the thread as well, that the OP doesn't do it that way, so it appears that you are asking if it is ok if you do it that way, and I let you know that it was since you appeared to be needing our blessing.

You need to learn how to read. You need to learn how to then comprehend what you read. If the questions you ask aren't actually the questions you wanted the answers to, then you need to learn how to communicate a whole lot better. You have a massive history on here of having both serious comprehension and communication problems, and this is just the latest in a long list. Get it together dude, I know it is mostly due to laziness. Any more questions?
 
Poolplaya9 said:
What the hell "free thought" are you talking about?

You asked a really dumb ass question that was clearly already answered twice in the very short thread, including in the post right before the one where you asked the dumb ass question. I went ahead and answered it for you a third time anyway because I'm nice like that and it's clear you are pretty slow.

Then you asked about using the 9 ball as a break ball. That was already clearly addressed in the thread as well, that the OP doesn't do it that way, so it appears that you are asking if it is ok if you do it that way, and I let you know that it was since you appeared to be needing our blessing.

You need to learn how to read. You need to learn how to then comprehend what you read. If the questions you ask aren't actually the questions you wanted the answers to, then you need to learn how to communicate a whole lot better. You have a massive history on here of having both serious comprehension and communication problems, and this is just the latest in a long list. Get it together dude, I know it is mostly due to laziness. Any more questions?
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I had no inkling I needed so much. Wanna try out for My Business Manager? I read the premise I post. When you show me TOS that says I need to be spiritually entwined with EVERY thread you happen to notice, we'll talk.
 
I remember seeing Earl playing 9 ball and he had to land cb in break box after making the 9 and it was remarkable how he would do it every time.
With all the issues regarding the break due to the modern racks I just thought this was a good way of neutralizing the break. After me and my friend played for awhile it was apparent that the shot on the 9 was definitely more complicated than just making the ball to win.
I don't think using the 9 as a break ball is a good idea it changes the game to much.
I want 9 ball to stay 9 ball I just want the break shot to be a skill shot beyond automatic. I also think bih is a form of punishment for a foul not a reward for winning the game.
Emily said in interview she wanted 9 ball played under the toughest conditions to produce the best product. 4 inch pockets are great but obviously takes a lot to make happen. This one rule change would create everything she is looking for without adding cost and is very simple to understand. The average person could follow it better than they could the bih break.
It will not slow down play either.
My thoughts on it are that the real pros will be able to do this no problem and the rest will be fun to watch creating separation between the elite and the rest which would be entertaining.
If a player combo the 9 for an early win he still has to get cb in the kitchen or lose the break. He wins but he will make a decision to sacrifice the break to get early win. He may pass on combo to run out and get Break.
My point is that the straight break 9 ball rule will create interesting situations that makes the game better more interesting.
Without changing the game essence.
I'm sorry I'm not good at explaining my thoughts, I truly feel that if the smart people of pool played it they would see this for themselves and make it happen.
Everyone would be looking at that 9 ball shot differently I promise that the players and the spectators.
It's amazing when a pro can do it and hilarious watching the amateur try and do it.
Give the rule makers something to do besides come up with stupid rules like 3 point rule omg stupid rule compared to this. I'm sorry but that was a very lazy way of fixing a problem. It created more problems and glad it's gone.
I think it's gone anyway
 
lastdimetaker said:
Modern 9 ball break rules that would elevate the game and would solve a lot of problems with using modern template racks.
Simply put eliminate ball in hand on the break shot. I have to shoot in the 9 and play position for my break shot by landing in the kitchen adding pressure on the player at the table. If I don't land in kitchen it would be a win but opponent gets bih behind the line his break. This will change the game in so many ways.
I don't want to go into all my thoughts about this and how it will change the way the game is played but I want it to become something to think about for the future of 9 ball. My inspiration for this idea comes from watching Earl play this way 20 years ago. Nothing new under the sun.
I just think this one rule change will create pressure in ways that will elevate play and simplify the game at the same time.
Straight Break 9 Ball just think about it. Try it out and I bet you will discover it really changes the game for better not worse
Earl would land that cue ball perfectly for his break and I always thought that was the greatest thing I ever saw. I'm all over the place trying to do it and it creates some unusual break shots lol 😆
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I've said before and I'll say it again. If you want to put a stop to all this nonsense with the break shot in 9-Ball, make the players break only from the head spot! We did it in one tournament at Hard Times (many players objected, but still played). Once the tournament started there were no more problems about racking the balls and all that other nonsense. It made my life as the TD that much better that week. I tried to do it in other events but only Chuck Markulis would give me the latitude to make that rule. We also used the four ball rule in One Pocket and that sped up the tournament tremendously. The best players were still there at the end (Buddy and Roger Griffis in the finals as I recall).
 
jay helfert said:
I've said before and I'll say it again. If you want to put a stop to all this nonsense with the break shot in 9-Ball, make the players break only from the head spot! We did it in one tournament at Hard Times (many players objected, but still played). Once the tournament started there were no more problems about racking the balls and all that other nonsense. It made my life as the TD that much better that week. I tried to do it in other events but only Chuck Markulis would give me the latitude to make that rule. We also used the four ball rule in One Pocket and that sped up the tournament tremendously. The best players were still there at the end (Buddy and Roger Griffis in the finals as I recall).
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That definitely simplify things, I still like pressure on the 9 ball that comes from having to play position for break. Plus it gives commentators something to talk about. Have you ever noticed that at the climax of the game it's really boring for spectators. Idk break from spot works but little boring 😴 but better than watching automatic breaks lol and 3 point rule
 
jay helfert said:
I've said before and I'll say it again. If you want to put a stop to all this nonsense with the break shot in 9-Ball, make the players break only from the head spot! We did it in one tournament at Hard Times (many players objected, but still played). Once the tournament started there were no more problems about racking the balls and all that other nonsense. It made my life as the TD that much better that week. I tried to do it in other events but only Chuck Markulis would give me the latitude to make that rule. We also used the four ball rule in One Pocket and that sped up the tournament tremendously. The best players were still there at the end (Buddy and Roger Griffis in the finals as I recall).
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@jay helfert completely agree. Sigel said the same thing on an Accu Stats match where he was commentating with Mark Wilson.
 
straightline said:
I had no inkling I needed so much.
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That's exactly the problem. You clearly don't have an inkling about anything, even after your total failures at comprehension and communication have been pointed out to you in this thread and in other threads as well, yet here you still are trying to be Coco#2. I refuse to believe you are that stupid that you are unable to understand such simple things or lack the ability to be able to communicate in a way that people can actually understand. At least part of it has to be due to you just being lazy and not making any effort. Stop being so lazy and actually make some effort to comprehend what you read, and make an effort to say things in a way that can actually be understood. Stop being so defensive and just do better.
 
straightline said:
Yeah grow up with your spot shots.
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How about you just start making an effort to comprehend what you read and to communicate in a way that can actually be understood?

In post #6 when you ask "What happens if you land short of the kitchen", you really still can't tell that your question had already been very clearly answered twice in the thread before that, both in the first post and in the post right before yours? And then read your post #9 again. You say "What about the 9 as the break ball?". Yeah, well what about it??? You never do say. You really still can't see that you didn't at all make clear what you were trying to ask?

Look, if you are really that stupid that you really can't tell that your question from post #6 had already been very clearly answered twice, and are really that stupid that you can't tell that your question in post #9 doesn't make clear what your question is and is nonsensical, then just say so, that you really are that stupid and you legitimately have zero control over it. But if that level of idiocy was also partially due to you just being lazy, which I'm convinced has to be the case because nobody can really be that stupid, then there is no excuse for it and you need to make an effort to do better with your comprehension and communication.
 
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