Straight Stroke, cue ball control, and pocket speed

[BigDogatLarge]

I have been reading a lot of posts about the above topics and I am somewhat confused by the terms and styles. I copied this from Scott Lee and wondered if anyone would shed some light on this area, please.

Here is the quote,

"For the HUGE majority of poolplayers, who seek help with their game, and have perceived aiming problems, they cannot deliver the cue in a straight line, accurately and repeatably. Once they learn how to develop a repeatable stroke, aiming problems go away for most of them." Scott Lee

Now, does the stoke being better lead to better control and pocket speed? What would be some of the drills that are employed to bring the desired results?

Thank everyone in advance,

Dwight

 

[softshot]

I have been reading a lot of posts about the above topics and I am somewhat confused by the terms and styles. I copied this from Scott Lee and wondered if anyone would shed some light on this area, please.

Here is the quote,

"For the HUGE majority of poolplayers, who seek help with their game, and have perceived aiming problems, they cannot deliver the cue in a straight line, accurately and repeatably. Once they learn how to develop a repeatable stroke, aiming problems go away for most of them." Scott Lee

Now, does the stoke being better lead to better control and pocket speed? What would be some of the drills that are employed to bring the desired results?

Thank everyone in advance,

Dwight

they are called mother drills and they cover every single aspect that a good players needs.. with nothing you don't need.. all the trash has already been removed..

I highly recommend the system from top to bottom it is solid...

find an "SPF" school instructor.. they are all competent or I doubt Randy would let them teach his system... but if you can pull off a lesson with the man himself even better...

 

[BigDogatLarge]

they are called mother drills and they cover every single aspect that a good players needs.. with nothing you don't need.. all the trash has already been removed..

I highly recommend the system from top to bottom it is solid...

find an "SPF" school instructor.. they are all competent or I doubt Randy would let them teach his system... but if you can pull off a lesson with the man himself even better...

Thanks Softshot I am not sure what SPF means. Please explain...

Dwight

 

[softshot]

Thanks Softshot I am not sure what SPF means. Please explain...

Dwight

Set Pause Finish.. I am not a qualified SPF instructor......

but in a nutshell you have a level cue very near the cueball where you intend to hit it.. with your grip hand at 90 degrees to the cue...

after all warm ups ... you Set.. at that position.. you pull back to the end of your backswing and you Pause... to allow the muscles to transition from one direction to another and you finish with your back hand at the Finish or home position... using the natural range of motion built into YOUR arm....

and because it is so customized to each individual.. I recommend a qualified instructor teach you the rest...

 

[BigDogatLarge]

Set Pause Finish.. I am not a qualified SPF instructor......

but in a nutshell you have a level cue very near the cueball where you intend to hit it.. with your grip hand at 90 degrees to the cue...

after all warm ups ... you Set.. at that position.. you pull back to the end of your backswing and you Pause... to allow the muscles to transition from one direction to another and you finish with your back hand at the Finish or home position... using the natural range of motion built into YOUR arm....

and because it is so customized to each individual.. I recommend a qualified instructor teach you the rest...

Ok, so it is part of the stroking process, as in stroking back and forth then set, pull back, pause, then shoot... Right?

Dwight

 

[softshot]

Ok, so it is part of the stroking process, as in stroking back and forth then set, pull back, pause, then shoot... Right?

Dwight

exactly... but knowing your home or finish position is key and that is something one of the SPF guys will help you find out.. my finish isn't your finish...

 

[BigDogatLarge]

exactly... but knowing your home or finish position is key and that is something one of the SPF guys will help you find out.. my finish isn't your finish...

and by finish position you mean bridge hand in relation to QB before the shot and the finish is the tip after follow through depending on the type of stroke?

Dwight

 

[softshot]

and by finish position you mean bridge hand in relation to QB before the shot and the finish is the tip after follow through depending on the type of stroke?

Dwight

finish is backhand only your back hand will end up in the same spot every time..... I know where my finish position is... when I don't get there... I miss....

I can't tell you where yours is...I am not qualified.. and we are on the internet....... Find the closest SPF instructor to you..

I finish every shot the same way... 5 speed at 12 o clock or .. 1 (lag)_ speed at 6 o'clock.. my stroke never changes anything except velocity.... that is the ONLY thing that changes...

 

[JoeyInCali]

and by finish position you mean bridge hand in relation to QB before the shot and the finish is the tip after follow through depending on the type of stroke?

Dwight

Scott Lee and Randy here have a dvd video that teaches the SPF way of shooting.
There's only ONE stroke in their method of teaching.

 

[Big C]

Please don't try to learn SPF over the forums. You will only get confused. e-mail randy G and ask him for any SPF instructors in your area. If you can, try to attend one of the road shows. Better yet, go to his school in Dallas. Check out www.poolschool.info

 

[randyg]

I have been reading a lot of posts about the above topics and I am somewhat confused by the terms and styles. I copied this from Scott Lee and wondered if anyone would shed some light on this area, please.

Here is the quote,

"For the HUGE majority of poolplayers, who seek help with their game, and have perceived aiming problems, they cannot deliver the cue in a straight line, accurately and repeatably. Once they learn how to develop a repeatable stroke, aiming problems go away for most of them." Scott Lee

Now, does the stoke being better lead to better control and pocket speed? What would be some of the drills that are employed to bring the desired results?

Thank everyone in advance,

Dwight

DWIGHT: The cue stick is the only thing in pool that we control. Therefore, Angle-Speed-Spin are from the cue stick.......SPF=randyg

 

[BigDogatLarge]

Kev

I wanted to thank everyone for helping me to determine what the ways of the stroke were, to improve my shooting ability. After reading the above posts I looked at the way I addressed the ball and found that I only had to make minor adjustments to my routine. I found that keeping perfectly still and breathing and being relaxed made all the difference in controling my stroke and staying on line. The proof, I beat three of the top guys in my room last night in the tournament.

Again, thanks to the seen and unseen help.

Dwight

 

[tucson9ball]

Stroke

I have been reading a lot of posts about the above topics and I am somewhat confused by the terms and styles. I copied this from Scott Lee and wondered if anyone would shed some light on this area, please.

Here is the quote,

"For the HUGE majority of poolplayers, who seek help with their game, and have perceived aiming problems, they cannot deliver the cue in a straight line, accurately and repeatably. Once they learn how to develop a repeatable stroke, aiming problems go away for most of them." Scott Lee

Now, does the stoke being better lead to better control and pocket speed? What would be some of the drills that are employed to bring the desired results?

Thank everyone in advance,

Dwight

Years ago while Danny D. was in Phoenix, he would get new players to practice their stroke over and over to improve it. He suggested using a soda bottle turned on it's side. You simply lay soda bottle anywhere and stroke in and out to get muscle memory. Try going in without hitting sides and going all the way to end of bottle. Simple but for beginners it is a start.
Ok folks, don't kill this post with sexual inuendos-lol.

 

[tucson9ball]

nice explanation of the stroke

Set Pause Finish.. I am not a qualified SPF instructor......

but in a nutshell you have a level cue very near the cueball where you intend to hit it.. with your grip hand at 90 degrees to the cue...

after all warm ups ... you Set.. at that position.. you pull back to the end of your backswing and you Pause... to allow the muscles to transition from one direction to another and you finish with your back hand at the Finish or home position... using the natural range of motion built into YOUR arm....

and because it is so customized to each individual.. I recommend a qualified instructor teach you the rest...

I like the way you explain - short and simple. You could have a calling as a instructor.:thumbup:

 

[BigDogatLarge]

I like the way you explain - short and simple. You could have a calling as a instructor.:thumbup:

Thanks for the advice about the bottle. I agree with you about his teaching methods. It allowed me to "see" what he was talking about. I am usually a monkey see, monkey do kind of learner.

Dwight

 

[JoeyInCali]

Does the bottle really help?
It won't help me because to get straight thru that hole, I will have to drop my elbow so the tip goes straight.
My tip dips after contact as Scott teaches.

 

[Scott Lee]

Exactly! The true SPF pendulum stroke neither requires, nor advocates, any movement of the elbow up or down. As Joey stated, this goes contrary to the "stroking in the bottle" concept.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Does the bottle really help?
It won't help me because to get straight thru that hole, I will have to drop my elbow so the tip goes straight.
My tip dips after contact as Scott teaches.

 

[tucson9ball]

Bottle

Does the bottle really help?
It won't help me because to get straight thru that hole, I will have to drop my elbow so the tip goes straight.
My tip dips after contact as Scott teaches.

It basically gets you to go straight back and forth, it's ok to have tip go down after entering bottle. As long as you are going straight in and out.
This is for beginners to get muscle memory, at your level I'm sure you have a pretty decent strok already.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Exactly! The true SPF pendulum stroke neither requires, nor advocates, any movement of the elbow up or down. As Joey stated, this goes contrary to the "stroking in the bottle" concept.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Which necessitates your next product.
A stroke training device with two Y's sticking up. The closer to the cueball would be shorter.:thumbup:

 

[Bob Jewett]

Does the bottle really help?
It won't help me because to get straight thru that hole, I will have to drop my elbow so the tip goes straight. ...

Which is why one of the English players who used to participate in the on-line forums recommended a matchbox on its side. That allows the rocking which is normal for a still-elbow stroke (pendulum) but prevents swooping.

I think a piston stroke, which is what a bottle requires or at least encourages, is more complicated mechanically, and unless someone can come up with a real good physical argument in its favor, I think it should be avoided by beginners. Whether it helps anyone is a hard thing to determine. Jeremy Jones and Lori Jon Jones both have piston strokes, as do some top snooker players.