Strange aiming.

Mikjary said:
This isn't 90/90 aiming or TOI in any form I use. It looks a lot more like what Busty, Rob Saez and even Chris B. do at times on various shots. They address the cue ball opposite or away from the spot they want to hit and cross over the cue ball on the finish stroke.

I've seen many amateurs doing this over the years, but never got it to work at all for me. I don't see any advantage to it, but leaving the traditional stroke behind has its merits at times. It gets the creative side going for the advanced players.

Best,
Mike
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Mike,
I tried the shot in the vid. it was about a 14 degree cut to her left with draw.

I lined up left 1/4 CB to left 1/4 OB and stroked across the face of the CB contacting the center to TOO of the CB and made it into the pocket.

I normally would have aimed the CCB at the right 1/4 of the OB with draw for the same shot.

I didn't check to see if the result of her draw was any different than how I shoot. If she swiped at the CB and got more English, then I could see the utility of shooting said shot and will employ it when the opportunity arises.

Live and learn or die trying. :wink:

Be well.
 
If someone hits a ball with a tad of inside, I call it a TOI even if they aren't a TOI devotee. It looks like she added a tad of inside to the ball.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
If someone hits a ball with a tad of inside, I call it a TOI even if they aren't a TOI devotee. It looks like she added a tad of inside to the ball.
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Hi Matt,

Just for the sake of clarity, keep in mind that CJ's TOI is not a Touch of Inside 'english'.

CJ's TOI is for the purpose of squirting the CB to add cut & so the touch of spin is just enough to offset the outside spin that the CB picks up for the collision with the OB. That way the CB just drifts or floats.

It's not easy to tell exactly what she did since that stroke was all over the place.

I did look like she hit it with some inside but she might have wanted to spin it for that line of draw given the other balls to the her right our left.

I just wanted to clarify the difference of intentions for TOI vs a normal inside english shot.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
All I saw was a little bottom left english to throw the 1 ball a bit and create an angle to draw back on the 2 ball.
 
8pack said:
No way Man...they have secrets, and that there definitely looks like one.:p
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Looked to me her forearm wasn't lined up right and she corrected it .
Her follow through didn't even look too hot ( tip on the air ).
She had ball in hand and a 2-foot pot .
She needs a "system" for that ?
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Looked to me her forearm wasn't lined up right and she corrected it .
Her follow through didn't even look too hot ( tip on the air ).
She had ball in hand and a 2-foot pot .
She needs a "system" for that ?
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I was agreeing with you.:)
 
Looks like she came back inside the cue ball for a heavier hit not to slide off too wide and bump that green ball whatever it is.
It's easy to make a boo boo and bump that ball. Hit them heavy, that's my motto

She knows how to stay inside and generate spin from what it looks like, can't see the cue can only guess. I liked the delivery

Why she lined up so wide is beyond me but it worked and thats all that matters.
A perfect example of hitting low and clearing the cue up, so many on here are against and every top player does it.

Sincerely:SS
 
SmoothStroke said:
Looks like she came back inside the cue ball for a heavier hit not to slide off too wide and bump that green ball whatever it is.
It's easy to make a boo boo and bump that ball. Hit them heavy, that's my motto

She knows how to stay inside and generate spin from what it looks like, can't see the cue can only guess. I liked the delivery

Why she lined up so wide is beyond me but it worked and thats all that matters.
A perfect example of hitting low and clearing the cue up, so many on here are against and every top player does it.

Sincerely:SS
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She got good draw to get the CB heading for the near right corner pocket. She used inside (TOI) with squirt to get the angle to the pocket?

I tried that moving the tip sideways and diagonally down...it worked.

Be well.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Hi Matt,

Just for the sake of clarity, keep in mind that CJ's TOI is not a Touch of Inside 'english'.

CJ's TOI is for the purpose of squirting the CB to add cut & so the touch of spin is just enough to offset the outside spin that the CB picks up for the collision with the OB. That way the CB just drifts or floats.

It's not easy to tell exactly what she did since that stroke was all over the place.

I did look like she hit it with some inside but she might have wanted to spin it for that line of draw given the other balls to the her right our left.

I just wanted to clarify the difference of intentions for TOI vs a normal inside english shot.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
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Yes, TOI is meant to be not much inside, not enough to throw a ball beyond the three-part pocketing system. However, and I watched the stroke about twice only, not frame by frame, so it was a quick look--it looked like she punched the cue through the shot a bit with an "accelerating" stroke... thanks for helping clarify.
 
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Here's a view right before contact with the CB:

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SmoothStroke said:
Looks like she came back inside the cue ball for a heavier hit not to slide off too wide and bump that green ball whatever it is.
It's easy to make a boo boo and bump that ball. Hit them heavy, that's my motto

She knows how to stay inside and generate spin from what it looks like, can't see the cue can only guess. I liked the delivery

Why she lined up so wide is beyond me but it worked and thats all that matters.
A perfect example of hitting low and clearing the cue up, so many on here are against and every top player does it.

Sincerely:SS
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Hi Michael,

As to your statement that I highlighted, it seems to me that many just don't have a 'feel' for the cue ball on the tip of their cue.

Either that or they have become obsessed with how they look by holding their finish.

If one watches golf one might notice that for a normal shot the pros finish will look very much the same.

But...when they have to do something different with the golf ball, their finish will look rather different.

Best 2 You & All.
Rick

PS Also if one is finishing with their hand against their chest or shoulder it's much more difficult if not impossible to do that of which we are talking about.
 
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LAMas said:
It looks like she threw it in with TOO?
How about a shot after contact?
Thanks
Be well.
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LaMas -- The view I originally had in post #36 was actually just after contact rather than just before contact. I have replaced it (in post #36) with one that is just before contact (you can see a space between the CB and OB). [So please delete the picture in your post #37.]

Here is another one just after contact with the CB (but before the CB hits the OB) and then one a split second later (after the CB has hit the OB).

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Her body is not in line with the shot .
You think that had to do with her initial approach to the ball?
 
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