How can the player shooting the wrong group even get a second shot at the wrong group? His very first shot was a foul, isnt he supposed to told he committed a foul before he clears the table?
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How can the player shooting the wrong group even get a second shot at the wrong group? His very first shot was a foul, isnt he supposed to told he committed a foul before he clears the table?
The three matches lost are not shutouts and in one or more of them the loser got on the hill. The two matches you win are shutouts, 3 points each.
Its ultimately the teams fault for not having enough players. I do not understand why there are people out there who cant do what they signed up for, like showing up on time for the pool league that they made a commitment to. If the missing player had some sort of emergency beyond his control on the way to shoot pool there should have been some consideration given to the situation. If he could not get out of bed because he was hung over, too bad. I think there needs to be a rule to prevent there types of things from happening, the intentional forfeit that is.
Not in APA. You can call the foul at any time before your opponent pockets the 8. Worst. Rule. Ever.
Agreed, was an obsever over an LTC and that exactly happened to one of the well know teams out there.
Agreed. I'd have to really be mad at someone to let them do this. I wonder if there is a patch for this. Would it be considered a break and run?
Not according to APA rules:
g. Occasionally it occurs after the break, or anytime during the game for that
matter, that a player mistakenly starts shooting the wrong category of
balls. Although it is sportsmanlike for the sitting player to remind the
shooting player that he is about to foul by shooting the wrong category of
balls, it is not a requirement for him to do so. Once the shooter has hit
the wrong category of balls, the foul has occurred whether the ball is
pocketed or not. If the ball is pocketed, it is permissible, though not
recommended, that the sitting player allow the shooting player to continue
shooting his balls in until he feels inclined to call the foul. The shooting
player can escape penalty by quietly realizing his error and returning to shoot the correct category of balls and legally contacting one of them
before his opponent calls a foul, or by finishing off the wrong category of
balls and legally contacting the 8-ball prior to his opponent calling a foul.
In other words, the sitting player must call the foul before the shooter
returns to the correct category and legally contacts one, or before the
shooter pockets the remaining balls of the wrong category and legally
contacts the 8-ball. Once a player makes legal contact with the 8-ball,
the player assumes control of that category of wrongly pocketed balls
and can win the game by legally pocketing the 8-ball. In addition, if the
sitting player does not call a foul before his opponent’s turn ends, and
subsequently contacts the wrong category himself, both players will assume
the new category of balls for the remainder of the game. Before any foul
has occurred, the shooter also may avoid penalty by asking the sitting player
which category of balls he has. The sitting player must tell him the truth.
1-2, 1-2, 1-2, 3-0, 3-0 is 9-6.
This thread's got me pumped for citywides this weekend.
Forfeits are 2 points in the regular season but 3 points in higher level play, and with good reason. Even if both teams have 5 players, suppose the score at the end of the 4th match is 7-5 and the match count is 3-1. If forfeits are 2 points, then the team with 7 points should always forfeit, because by playing they risk losing 7-8. This also applies if the point count is, say, 7-4 and the match count is 2-2. (If the points are tied, the match count breaks the tie.)
In the regular season, 2 points for a forfeit works pretty well because both teams want to get as many points as possible rather than to just win against the current opponent.
Cory
This is the best answer, as well as the most realistic. Don't blame others for a bad situation that Team B put themselves in. It's no one else's fault.
The rule (if I remember correctly) is "continuous play", meaning that as soon as a match is done, you have to put up another player immediately. If you can't/don't, then it's a forfeit.
In a nutshell, don't lay around with your pants down and butt in the air. They will take advantage of you.
Eric
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That was a tough match. It was years ago, but if I remember right, you play really tight safeties. I remember a safe where you sandwiched me between 2 of your balls. My only way out was to jack up and shoot a firm 2 rail kick with reverse spin to hit my ball nad get a rail. A little luck helped me too, lol.
You play well, Cory. I enjoyed it.
Eric
That was the match--2005 maybe? You made some good kicks and I recall thinking, "well, I'm going to have to lock him up tighter" and then I did. Still didn't work, though.
Next time, I'll have to just run out more.
Speakin' of running out, i just had a flashback to that match...
I remember we were half way thru the match and the score might have been 2-2. On the next game, someone broke andwith most of the balls on the table, I started running out. I managed to get funny on the 8 and had to thin cut it. I cut it in and the CB 3 rails around the table, thru traffic, to scratch in the lower corner pocket, where I was standing.
I just reached down, without hesitation and started racking, since I was standing there anyway. You had a look on your face, which I was thinking, was "I hope this guy realizes that he lost that game cuz of the scratch". I could be wrong, but I remember you had a slightly perplexed look on your face, haha.
Eric
I'd like to think my integrity is worth more than the price of a plane ticket to Vegas and a few nights at a hotel. However, it seems to me a team playing an important match would find a way to get 5 players present. Had the one team done that, the other team couldn't have used the rules to their advantage.
I think the biggest knock on apa is slow play and getting home do late when you play in a double jeopardy league. Perhaps there needs to be more rules that encourage teams to show up on time and being ready to play.
I think the biggest knock on apa is slow play and getting home do late when you play in a double jeopardy league. Perhaps there needs to be more rules that encourage teams to show up on time and being ready to play.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person in America that plays APA primarily as a way to play semi competitive pool with new people and not as a way to get a trip to Vegas or anything else. Even if it was within the rules and even if my team would benefit such a strategy wouldn't occur to me because I and my team actually like to play the matches.
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