strategy for league match

[IamCalvin06]

My first year back to the league and now I remember what I did not like about APA. I rejoined bc I saw the fun I was having with in house league and thought it would be the same.

Boy was I wrong! In house league was relaxed and competitive. Everyone wanted to match up and play vs players of their skill level. APA players act like they are in a challenge match with plane tickets in place of the Cash on the lights. I've played money games my whole life and never seen it as dirty as I see in the APA.

ANYWAYS... This move is one of many things that make me wanna go back to playing cheap sets with the money players. What APA players lack in skill, they make up for in cut throat grimy ness.

 

[nobcitypool]

My first year back to the league and now I remember what I did not like about APA. I rejoined bc I saw the fun I was having with in house league and thought it would be the same.

Boy was I wrong! In house league was relaxed and competitive. Everyone wanted to match up and play vs players of their skill level. APA players act like they are in a challenge match with plane tickets in place of the Cash on the lights. I've played money games my whole life and never seen it as dirty as I see in the APA.

ANYWAYS... This move is one of many things that make me wanna go back to playing cheap sets with the money players. What APA players lack in skill, they make up for in cut throat grimy ness.

To be fair, that's painting with a rather wide brush. The few bad apples always stand our more and stick in minds more than all the good people. I've found the vast majority of APA Members to be good, fun minded folks. It is a rather large organization so of course there are going to be some A-holes. It has been my experience that with a statistically significant sampling of people of any race, religion, group, etc.; around 95% are good hearted people while 5% are A-Holes. I generally prefer to focus on the 95% and try to ignore the 5%.

 

[KMRUNOUT]

That's dirty and I might have lost it if I were there. That was the ultimate form of sandbagging.

I disagree completely with your opinion that it is dirty. It is 100% by the rules. Having your team present and ready to play is part of the competition. If you play with a bunch of irresponsible children, then you deserve to lose like this.

Also, you are factually wrong about the sandbagging. It is the opposite of sandbagging. No one is hiding their true ability, and no one that forfeited has any scores placed on their record.

You are just way off on this one.

KMRUNOUT

 

[mattp]

errrrrrrrrm
bad sportsmanship. apa is a league mainly for beginners. It set's a bad precedent if such actions are allowed and they are really not due to sportsmanship rules. We should be trying to grow the integrity of our sport not destroying it. That said, I probably would have let it be known that it must be played out and give the team a warning. But really, show some class. If ya wanna go to vegas so bad, save up the 20 bucks a wek you spend on apa for 6 months and you got the sane amount of money they give you.


P.s. I clinched Vegas last night in the masters.
and Hi Joel.

 

[KMRUNOUT]

That's stupid because you can double play a player if you're missing one.

And now - if only 3 people show up you can play all 5 matches by double playing 2 people.

You can't do that in any play offs or upper level play...and actually not in every area...it is the "ghost rule" and that is voted on by each area. It may become a standard APA thing though.


KMRUNOUT

 

[justadub]

That's stupid because you can double play a player if you're missing one.

And now - if only 3 people show up you can play all 5 matches by double playing 2 people.

Gotta be a bylaw in your area. Not a national rule.

 

[justadub]

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person in America that plays APA primarily as a way to play semi competitive pool with new people and not as a way to get a trip to Vegas or anything else. Even if it was within the rules and even if my team would benefit such a strategy wouldn't occur to me because I and my team actually like to play the matches.

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You're not the only one

 

[krupa]

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person in America that plays APA primarily as a way to play semi competitive pool with new people and not as a way to get a trip to Vegas or anything else. Even if it was within the rules and even if my team would benefit such a strategy wouldn't occur to me because I and my team actually like to play the matches.

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^^ this. I play in leagues to have fun and meet people.
If my team started pulling **** moves like this just to win, I would rather quit the team than be a part of it.

Agree 100%

 

[yurdun4]

I would of just told the other team captain he had to buy me as much beer as i could drink while waiting for the other player to show.Seems fair. Good sportsmanship and free beer. Win win!

 

[StraightPoolIU]

I kind of want to clarify my original post. A large majority of the people I've met playing APA are pretty cool and fun to play league nights with. Generally the folks who play who have played (Nob among them) in our division are pretty cool. But it's when we go to tournaments that you seems to run into the a-holes that think they're playing for the World Championship and will pull a move on you like in the OP at a moment's notice.

 

[kaznj]

Hi Mattp. Where you there when this happened?
The league op is Dawn Hopkins. After team B pitched a fit, she said team B wins. What team A did was unsportsmanlike conduct.
We can disagree with the strategy, but I believe this is within the rules. If you disagree, change the rules.

 

[Cory in DC]

Hi Mattp. Where you there when this happened?
The league op is Dawn Hopkins. After team B pitched a fit, she said team B wins. What team A did was unsportsmanlike conduct.
We can disagree with the strategy, but I believe this is within the rules. If you disagree, change the rules.

Well, it is unsportsmanlike. I can see a good case for going either way with the decision.

 

[kaznj]

I agree it is not in the spirit of good sportmanship, but there is nothing in the rules that say you cannot do this. Therefore, there is only one way to go with this.
Don't you think the players on team b told their player to stall. Take so much time that the other team complains. Team b would have been using the rules to their advantage.

 

[ctyhntr]

Playing in league pool, I've made many friends over the years. The competitive environment can amplify some behaviors. It's interesting to see how some people react/cope with pressure/competition.

For my BCA Team 8-ball, I've taken over as team captain. I try to channel Mr. Miyagi to bring the best out of you, rather than like Kreese (winning is everything). So, likely I won't end up in Las Vegas unless it's coming out of my own pocket.

I kind of want to clarify my original post. A large majority of the people I've met playing APA are pretty cool and fun to play league nights with. Generally the folks who play who have played (Nob among them) in our division are pretty cool. But it's when we go to tournaments that you seems to run into the a-holes that think they're playing for the World Championship and will pull a move on you like in the OP at a moment's notice.

 

[krupa]

I agree it is not in the spirit of good sportmanship, but there is nothing in the rules that say you cannot do this. Therefore, there is only one way to go with this.

I disagree. This situation is a great example of why we have sportsmanship rules in the first place. In my opinion, any argument to the contrary shows a fundamental lack of understanding what sportsmanship actually is.

Don't you think the players on team b told their player to stall. Take so much time that the other team complains. Team b would have been using the rules to their advantage.

If Team B had a chance to play that slow, then Team A would have a legit complaint against them. BUT based on the OP, Team A didn't give them the chance. They took the, "do it to them before they do it to us" route and were unsportsmanlike first.

The rest is just hypothetical.

 

[fastone371]

Not according to APA rules:

g. Occasionally it occurs after the break, or anytime during the game for that
matter, that a player mistakenly starts shooting the wrong category of
balls. Although it is sportsmanlike for the sitting player to remind the
shooting player that he is about to foul by shooting the wrong category of
balls, it is not a requirement for him to do so. Once the shooter has hit
the wrong category of balls, the foul has occurred whether the ball is
pocketed or not. If the ball is pocketed, it is permissible, though not
recommended, that the sitting player allow the shooting player to continue
shooting his balls in until he feels inclined to call the foul. The shooting
player can escape penalty by quietly realizing his error and returning to shoot the correct category of balls and legally contacting one of them
before his opponent calls a foul, or by finishing off the wrong category of
balls and legally contacting the 8-ball prior to his opponent calling a foul.
In other words, the sitting player must call the foul before the shooter
returns to the correct category and legally contacts one, or before the
shooter pockets the remaining balls of the wrong category and legally
contacts the 8-ball. Once a player makes legal contact with the 8-ball,
the player assumes control of that category of wrongly pocketed balls
and can win the game by legally pocketing the 8-ball. In addition, if the
sitting player does not call a foul before his opponent’s turn ends, and
subsequently contacts the wrong category himself, both players will assume
the new category of balls for the remainder of the game. Before any foul
has occurred, the shooter also may avoid penalty by asking the sitting player
which category of balls he has. The sitting player must tell him the truth.

So it sounds like if the shitter does not call a foul on shooter after pocketing wrong ball set if he can pocket one of his own he gets to keep shooting? What if one of the shooters team mates speaks up after he pocketed the first wrong ball?

 

[onepocketron]

It's one reason my team has 3 alternates. We always have more players on hand than is required. Alternates show up even if they are not going to play a lot of times. Though the team may have won in a not so honorable way, they did play by the rules, they just used them to their advantage.

Playing 8 ball, 1 ball is needed to secure the frame. Player has absolutely no shot at all, though he can see one object ball. Elevates his cue, knocks the object ball and cue ball off the table. Yes it's an obvious foul, but the object ball stays down, the frame is won. Not a pretty way to win, but it was a win, and a win by the rules.