Strickland vs Sigel- Huge Pockets

wahcheck said:
Does anyone here know of the history of any matches between these two? Have there been tournament matches between them and what were the results?

I have the Accu-stats tape of these two at the 1993 Sands Regency Open.

Earl won 13-11
 
Sigel would torture him, litterly. Sigel is one of the smartest players in the game at getting an edge mentally. He is called Captain Hook for a reason, and that is because he has one of the most deadly safety games out there. He also breaks like a spedgehammer, places pinpoint shape, and pots as good as anyone. Earl would never get a chance to get momentum against Sigel, and when Sigel gets control he will start playing safeties and controlling the table such that Earl will tilt off. I have loads of respect for Earl and in his prime he is a monster with massive runout potential, but Sigel controlled matches like no other player I have ever seen and simply had a knack at winning against anyone. 90%+ victory in the finals of 9-ball tournaments during the 80's is something no other player since Mosconi has touched.
 
Both in their prime? I'd have to go with Sigel. More so if they played by the old rules (pre-Texas Express).
 
Fleece3 said:
I have the Accu-stats tape of these two at the 1993 Sands Regency Open.

Earl won 13-11

I have the '89 finals from the Sands on Tape. Sigel comes from the loser's side and wins 2 sets. Earl was up like 7-2 in the first set but Sigel came back and won. The 2nd set, if I remember correctly, was a little one-sided.
 
DogLoop said:
Race to 5-0 ....
Hmmmm ...
Takin' Mike on this one. Make it a race to 15 or less and I could bet the other way.
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When I've asked alot of top players who they'd least like to play for their own piggybank in a random choice of games, I would always hear Nick Varner ... If they knew it was nine-ball they used to say Buddy or even Medina, if they knew it was eight-ball they used to want to avoid Efren or Jeff Carter, if they knew it was 14.1 or one-pocket Ronnie Allen or the Fusco's were to be avoided like a bill collector.

All in all, too long a race to not ride it out with Mike ;)

doGlooP

i find these answers too hard to believe. it's almost as if those pros purposely avoided giving sigel a nod. and all bullsh*t, i might add. peer envy is what drove those answers, imo.

baryshnikov was asked who he thought was the greatest dancer ever. did he say nureyev, his only equal?,,,NO. did he say nijinsky?,,,NO. he said fred astaire. an answer no one would argue with because it so totally came from left field.

i was listening to all the players at the first 14.1 championship in nyc held in the roosevelt hotel back in the early 90's,,,and to a man they were all sh*tting in their pants at the thought of facing sigel because they felt he could explode 150 on them at the drop of a hat.
 
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LastTwo said:
Did any of you see Efren vs Earl TCOM? Earl played unbelievable throughout the entire race to 120. Efren made an unstoppable barrage to close the gap of about 20 games and won by 3. For those of you have seen it, I can't imagine 9-ball being played better than either Earl or Efren, even moreso Earl, because he ran out racks when he had no shot, just kick a ball in or masse in and run out. Wouldn't Mike play more safes? In the last tape of the race to 120, there were like 7 or 8 racks that Earl just stole, I mean he had nothing and he made something out of it and ran out. I don't think Mike would take the offense in those situations, so in my opinion with Earl being the offensive machine, he would come out ahead of Mike. Who can fire in shots on the rail like Earl and land perfect shape?

Apparently you are not aware of Mike Sigel's shotmaking ability....especially in the pressure situations. NOBODY came with them more consistently than Sigel...while Buddy Hall was just right underneath him (tournament wise). Gambling though...Sigel wanted nothing to do with Buddy in the long gambling sessions at 9 ball. Buddy would put him in a coma.
 
bruin70 said:
i find these answers too hard to believe. it's almost as if those pros purposely avoided giving sigel a nod. and all bullsh*t, i might add. peer envy is what drove those answers, imo.

baryshnikov was asked who he thought was the greatest dancer ever. did he say nureyev, his only equal?,,,NO. did he say nijinsky?,,,NO. he said fred astaire. an answer no one would argue with because it so totally came from left field.

i was listening to all the players at the first 14.1 championship in nyc held in the roosevelt hotel back in the early 90's,,,and to a man they were all sh*tting in their pants at the thought of facing sigel because they felt he could explode 150 on them at the drop of a hat.

Sigel wasn't the youngest player to enter the Hall of Fame for nothing! :)
 
Earl is explosive without question and he is a champion but the longer race benifits the consumate player. Mike has won at all games, as did Efren, Nick and Allan Hopkins who is hardly mentioned. I am not a Sigel fan by no stretch but he is the winningst 9-Ball player in modern history...gotta think history isnt wrong.
 
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sjm said:
If you ask Earl who the best nineball player he has ever watched is, his answer is, without a second of thought, Mike Sigel. Yes, I've asked Earl this question.


And on the Billiards Digest forum last week when Sigel was on live, someone asked HIM that question. Sigel's answer without hesitancy was Buddy Hall.
He said that Buddy beat him when he (Sigel) was absolutely playing at his best.
 
drivermaker said:
And on the Billiards Digest forum last week when Sigel was on live, someone asked HIM that question. Sigel's answer without hesitancy was Buddy Hall.
He said that Buddy beat him when he (Sigel) was absolutely playing at his best.

It was always the Hall/Sigel show. Sigel didn't want ANYTHING to do with Buddy for the cheese. Buddy was commentating on a Sigel match on Accu-Stats and was just gushing with compliments about his shotmaking and perfect position play. You can tell they have a great respect for one another's abilities. I think though, that is Buddy played straight pool he would play as good as anyone. His position play and cueball control is right on par with Sigel. They're both perfectionists.
 
LastTwo said:
In a race to 50 playing 9-ball on the same pockets used at the hong kong TCOM with Efren vs Earl, and Earl and Mike are in their prime playing their best, who would you bet on?


This would be a tough one, Earl is my favorite 9
ball player of all-time, and Sigel is in my opinion
the greatest player of all-time or at the best I've
ever seen. If I were forced to pick one I'd go
with Sigel but it's really too close to safely bet
on. Let me put it this way: I wouldn't feel
comfortable having my money ride on anyone playing
Mike Sigel in ANY game period. For example, I think
Reyes is the best one pocket player I've ever seen
BUT I wouldn't want to bet on him if he was playing
Sigel. The same goes for 9-ball, Earl was born to
play 9-ball he's amazing, but Sigel is Sigel, he just
knows how to win against anyone.
 
LastTwo said:
In a race to 50 playing 9-ball on the same pockets used at the hong kong TCOM with Efren vs Earl, and Earl and Mike are in their prime playing their best, who would you bet on?
In their prime? IMO, it's a no brainer. Sigel. I like to think I saw each playing their best. Sigel just didn't make any mistakes at any aspect of the game. And he could match shot for shot Strickland's fire power.

In his prime, he was the best breaker, the best shotmaker, the best safety player.

Fred
 
Did Sigel play one pocket? If so, who would you bet on in Sigel vs Efren playing 1 pocket, say a 5 ahead match, both playing their best.
 
LastTwo said:
Did Sigel play one pocket? If so, who would you bet on in Sigel vs Efren playing 1 pocket, say a 5 ahead match, both playing their best.


I have it on tape (home video) of Sigel playing Reyes in one pocket at the Bicycle Club in CA in a banks, 9-ball and One pocket match from 1993 and Reyes handled Sigel real well in the One pocket event beating him 5-2. Sigel won the 9-ball 11-9 and Reyes won the banks 5-4.
 
LastTwo said:
Did Sigel play one pocket? If so, who would you bet on in Sigel vs Efren playing 1 pocket, say a 5 ahead match, both playing their best.

There was a couple of one-pocket titles listed in Mike's 100 professional titles.

Probably would still go with Efren, however.

Fred
 
Found this in the National Billiard News dated July 1985. "Gibbs Billiards kicked off its grand opening with a head to head challenge match between Mike Sigel and Earl Strickland. This setting was one nine foot Gold Crown surrounded by bleacher seating, putting the fans close to the action. The format was three sessions of nine ball, race to fifteen, catch-up". Sigel was up the first session 15-12. The second session saw Sigel still ahead 30-27. Earl came back in the final session and won 45-44! Earl Strickland was most gracious in winning, he stated, "I don't think that by beating Mike Sigel by one game means that I am a better player than he is". The best summary of the match was a quote by Wimpy Lassister, "I've never seen better nine ball played by two players". By the way Gibbs Billiards (was/is?) in Virginia Beach and Wimpy was the house pro.
 
no contest

LastTwo said:
In a race to 50 playing 9-ball on the same pockets used at the hong kong TCOM with Efren vs Earl, and Earl and Mike are in their prime playing their best, who would you bet on?


earl has the best game by far.he is 6-time world champion.
 
JG-in-KY said:
Found this in the National Billiard News dated July 1985. "Gibbs Billiards kicked off its grand opening with a head to head challenge match between Mike Sigel and Earl Strickland. This setting was one nine foot Gold Crown surrounded by bleacher seating, putting the fans close to the action. The format was three sessions of nine ball, race to fifteen, catch-up". Sigel was up the first session 15-12. The second session saw Sigel still ahead 30-27. Earl came back in the final session and won 45-44! Earl Strickland was most gracious in winning, he stated, "I don't think that by beating Mike Sigel by one game means that I am a better player than he is". The best summary of the match was a quote by Wimpy Lassister, "I've never seen better nine ball played by two players". By the way Gibbs Billiards (was/is?) in Virginia Beach and Wimpy was the house pro.

Wow! Wish I'd been there for that one!
 
Wimpy

JG-in-KY said:
Found this in the National Billiard News dated July 1985. "Gibbs Billiards kicked off its grand opening with a head to head challenge match between Mike Sigel and Earl Strickland. This setting was one nine foot Gold Crown surrounded by bleacher seating, putting the fans close to the action. The format was three sessions of nine ball, race to fifteen, catch-up". Sigel was up the first session 15-12. The second session saw Sigel still ahead 30-27. Earl came back in the final session and won 45-44! Earl Strickland was most gracious in winning, he stated, "I don't think that by beating Mike Sigel by one game means that I am a better player than he is". The best summary of the match was a quote by Wimpy Lassister, "I've never seen better nine ball played by two players". By the way Gibbs Billiards (was/is?) in Virginia Beach and Wimpy was the house pro.

Coming from Wimpy, it means a lot.....I consider him one of the greatest of all time.....
 
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