Stroke or Instroke

WORKING MAN

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I am in the market for a new higher end case.So I am just wanting opinions on which is a better case and the differance in stroke and instroke.Which do you recomend as far as quality,price and just a better overall case total,,Thanks,,,Noel,,,(I will be buying the most recomended)
 
I've had an Instroke 2X4 for some time now, and love it. Do a search, and you'll find some posts by John Barton, its maker about some of the testimonials of its survival in car/bike accidents etc. While I'm sure there are better handcrafted cases available, I have yet to find a superior production case in the Instroke price range IMO. A little on the heavy side, but not excessive. Probably the only complaints I have are that the zippers on a brown buffalo leather are black, and I'm afraid that the leather cap hinge may someday crack from use. Of course that may happen only after the case outlives me.
Bill
 
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WORKING MAN said:
I am in the market for a new higher end case.So I am just wanting opinions on which is a better case and the differance in stroke and instroke.Which do you recomend as far as quality,price and just a better overall case total,,Thanks,,,Noel,,,(I will be buying the most recomended)

I had a 3x6 "stroke sports" case a while ago but it was stolen from me, so I have an instroke I bought from Chrisonline here. Having owned both, I don't really see that big of a difference in the cases myself, but if you want a higher end case, spend the extra money and get a Dennis Swift. I ordered one and its only been about 1 1/2 weeks but it's being made to my specs for not too much more than I'd have spent on a leather one of the two listed above. Dennis has been having email problems lately due to a virus he acquired, which is why I haven't heard from him lately, but his phone still works. Call him up and discuss it with him, Jeff
Dennis' phone number I have is: 1-270-486-3135
 
I have never owned a Stroke case.

But I have two Instroke cases and they are
great cases IMO! And I kid you not!

Did a post on 'em, could be interesting reads and all.
Links are here:


2x4 Instroke Cowboy Leather


1x1 Instroke Case

and here's a link to a 2x4 Instroke case,
which I gave as a gift to my money game sponsor
and billiards buddy.

2x4 Leather Cowboy Instroke


Good luck on your future acquisition!

AnitoKid

:)

WORKING MAN said:
I am in the market for a new higher end case.So I am just wanting opinions on which is a better case and the differance in stroke and instroke.Which do you recomend as far as quality,price and just a better overall case total,,Thanks,,,Noel,,,(I will be buying the most recomended)
 
Both cases started as one, so when it comes to protection they are the same.
There are some improvements in the latch of the Instroke but I feel that when comparing new cases then the leather work of stroke is nicer.

Here is the whole story by the man himself (JB) as he posted it a few years back on Seybert's forum

The lowdown:

Instroke started life through me in 1991 in Koblenz Germany. Through many partnerships and mergers it became Instroke Sports GMBH based in Ilshofen Germany. I retained the United States rights of trademark and copyright.

In 1998 I sold out my partnership to the remaining partners at Instroke GMBH in order to set up shop in the USA. I opened Instroke Sports LLC in 1999 in Colorado.

Instroke Sports USA (as we were known) purchased all of their Instroke cases from the German company under the stipulation that my production guidelines were strictly adhered to. This agreement was quickly broken and along with other issues it led to a situation where I decided to find another factory capable of producing cases to my standards.

Thus began a two year period of development of a new production of Instroke cases and a prolonged legal battle with Germany. In late 2003 we settled with Germany over the trademark issues and they must abdicate the Instroke trademark in the United States. They will also have to stop using Stroke Sports as well since it is confusingly similar, but that is another issue.

The new factory has spent over a quarter million dollars to upgrade their capability in order to produce cases which exceed my production values. A short bio is available at www.instroke.com

This brings me to the original question and the subsequent answers on this board.

The Instroke Buffalo model was originally made from vegetable tanned, oiled leather. Because the particualr type of leather is often unavailable in exactly the same tannage, color and consistency this model has often used varying types of leather. Now, the Buffalo model from the REAL Instroke in Taiwan uses the original vegetable tanned, oiled leather. It is perhaps the best that has ever been used for this model.

As to the quality of the cases overall. The Instroke case from Taiwan is the better case by far. The reason I can say this confidently is because the cases from Germany are stuck in 1998. The original factory where I developed the mass production line and taught the designers and shop workers how to build according to my guidelines no longer exists. The cases are made in the Czech Republic in a new facility with the barest remnants of knowledge from my original vision. In other words there has been NO improvement on the basic design that I left them with in 1998. There has in fact been a degradation of quality internally. You as a consumer, would not see this immediately but I did and do. Still though, the cases from the German company are better than just about all of the competition out there.

The cases from Taiwan though are the bomb. ) The Taiwanese have outdone themselves by producing cases that have major improvements over the ones from the Czech Republic. To start with the tubes are lighter and stronger. The lining does not hand up anymore, this problem has been eliminated. The latches are practically indestructable with the new diamond latch. The tubes are padded to protect against impact and to provide a tighter fit between the exterior and the interior of the case. The nails used on the end caps are fully barbed so that they cannot work loose. The zipper pulls on the self-healing zippers are heavy duty so that they won't break. And there are several minor things that are being done to insure a top quality case. The point is that despite the rumors and misconceptions the Taiwanese Instroke is the better case point for point and is the very best Instroke case that has ever been produced during my 13 years with Instroke.

Sincerely,

John Barton
founder, designer and former owner of Instroke Cue Cases.
 
14.1player said:

I haven't seen the Whitten in reality nor the old Justis tube case but from what I've heard and from other tube cases I've seen they all have oversize tubes that you can hear the cues rattle in them.... this drive me mad....

I've yet found a case that offer the protection of the Instroke case! yes some are lighter and many are nicer BUT let's not forget that the cues inside the case are what matters....

BTW, J&J claim that the Vincitore cases are OEMed by the same factory that makes Instroke.
I've seen some of them and also the WIN cases and they all look just like the Instroke from the interior perspective.

Maybe JB can shed a light on those cases as well.
 
If you're going to be spending $350+, I would go with a Whitten. At least hardly anyone else in the PH will have one, unlike Instrokes....
 
14.1player said:
If you're going to be spending $350+, I would go with a Whitten. At least hardly anyone else in the PH will have one, unlike Instrokes....

This is the thought that made me go with the Talisman at the time.... If I hadn't have my name embossed into it I would have sold it long ago...

I also think that the construction of the pouches on most leather cases are not that great.

In the "under $300" category I really like the Predator case that was made by Instroke.
I like the Instroke protection and the "simple" and smooth looks and the pouches are nice. Not to mention the strap that is in the middle. Too bad it only comes in 2x4 configuration... as I was in for a 3x5 at the time I got the Talisman. I saw some 3x5 prototypes they made for it that some pro players got and if it was on the market i would snatch it at that time..... wouldn't even mind the cat...
 
Go with anything pretty ;-)

Skor, as the post from Seyberts said, the Taiwanese Instroke cases are the best Instroke cases on the market from a structural standpoint. I'd say that the Stroke Sport cases probably have nicer leather on average but they will have the same old problems that existed in 1998 I think. They may have improved over the years. I haven't actually inspected one in several years.

To those of you recommending Whitten and Swift to this man: This person is interested in protection which is what I founded my case making career on. He is not interested in a beauty contest.

I have said this many times on here and other boards. A cue case must first provide protection for it's contents. I have a certain standard for protection that other case makers don't seem to share and frankly that a lot of consumers don't care about either. That's fine. I have been soundly reminded many times that people will compromise and settle for adequate protection in return for getting aesthetic satisfaction.

And the Whittens, Swifts and other case brands do offer adequate protection. They are vessels to hold cues during transport and cues are pretty durable so generally not much goes wrong. At least nothing that gets attributed to the case.

But DO YOU KNOW what happens to cue while it's bouncing inside of a tube or bouncing against itself while your car is going down that bumpy road. Do you know how the excess moisture in the air is affecting your cues when the liner is acting like a sponge and is the equivalent of a damp towel surrounding your cue? Are you sure that the little buzz your cue developed didn't come because the A-joint cracked a little from the oscillation of the narrow end hitting the sides of the tube repeatedly?

Is this fear mongering! You bet it is.

When I look at a cue I see a finely crafted instrument to be cradled. Do you see violinists throwing their violins into a box for it to rattle and bounce around during transport? Why are most guitar cases molded to fit the instrument?

So I build cases by starting with the cue and layering fabric that doesn't absorb moisture, followed by foam rubber and more fabric, and surrounded by the hardest plastic I can find that is also relatively lightweight. Do I make compromises? Sure I do, I can't turn a flexible soft case into a hard case but I can make sure that the soft case protects as well as possible for it's type.

So please stop the beauty contest offerings when someone is looking for protection. Whitten, Swift, Murnak, and others are great cases. They are pretty, elegant, well made, and nice to own. They don't protect as well as an Instroke or (shameless self promotion) a JB Case. That is simple fact. If this post inspires any of them to up their game and provide the same or better level of protection then I applaud them because it's only better for the people who invest in the fine craftsmanship of a custom cue.
 
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I've got a Stroke and an Instroke...both 3x4's and both are awesome cases. Can't tell a difference in quality. If you like that style case, you'd be safe with either one.
 
skor said:
I haven't seen the Whitten in reality nor the old Justis tube case but from what I've heard and from other tube cases I've seen they all have oversize tubes that you can hear the cues rattle in them.... this drive me mad....

I've yet found a case that offer the protection of the Instroke case! yes some are lighter and many are nicer BUT let's not forget that the cues inside the case are what matters....

BTW, J&J claim that the Vincitore cases are OEMed by the same factory that makes Instroke.
I've seen some of them and also the WIN cases and they all look just like the Instroke from the interior perspective.

Maybe JB can shed a light on those cases as well.

Some non-Instroke branded cases are made in the same facility as Instroke and some are not. Vincintore and Win may or may not be all made there.

Personally I wouldn't trust anyone who says that. How can you know it? They are trading on the Instroke name and making a statement that they cannot and will not back up.

I can testify that for certain some Vincintores are or were not made in the Instroke facility in the past. Maybe they all are now and maybe they aren't. My instinct from being here in China tells me that not all Win and Vincintore cases are made in the Instroke factory.

As a consumer there is no way for you know that this claim is true or not. And now a lot of knockoff cases have improved their interiors to emulate Instroke.

I say it's a judgment call. If you believe the seller and they will stand behind the case with a guarantee that they will honor then buy it. If they won't give you a guarantee but instead want to just give you a line about the case being "made by Instroke" then I'd advise you skip it and go with the brand name you can trust.
 
JB Cases said:
Go with anything pretty ;-)

Skor, as the post from Seyberts said, the Taiwanese Instroke cases are the best Instroke cases on the market from a structuaral standpoint. I'd say that the Stroke Sport cases probably have nicer leather on average but they will have the same old problems that existed in 1998 I think. They may have improved over the years. I haven't actually inspected one in several years.

To those of you reccomending Whitten and Swift to this man: This person is intersted in protection which is what I founded my case making career on. He is not intersted in a beauty contest.



Yep..........
 
skor said:
BTW, J&J claim that the Vincitore cases are OEMed by the same factory that makes Instroke.
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When a company sells their product by claiming it's just as good as another brand, or similar claims, it is usually a strong indicator that the "other brand" is the best.

Now....which would you buy????

Steve
 
14.1player said:
If you're going to be spending $350+, I would go with a Whitten. At least hardly anyone else in the PH will have one, unlike Instrokes....

Oh yeah, I just love the way the cues can bounce off the springs in the bottom of the case like a jack-in-the-box.

Cases that have smaller shaft tubes that allow your shafts to just hand there while in storage are the only cases you should buy. Buy Instroke!
 
I can only give feedback on the instroke as I've owned 3 kinds before: black leather cowboy, brown-black leather cowboy, & buffalo.

The leathers on the cowboy are smooth and give a very elegant touch rather than the grainy leathers I've seen on stroke cases (based on pictures). I like the black-brown cowboy more than the plain black or plain brown because it looks like a Ralph Lauren bag: elegant because of the smooth & tight leather, yet rugged due to the white stitches. This model is a head turner!

The buffalo is a great case for those who don't like the hassles of cleaning the case every now & then. It's rugged & stench of the leather is really strong. Scratching this case even gives it more character (& it doesn't look like a scratch at all!). This is a great case if yf you don't want to get too much attention when you get into an unknown territory.

My only complain with the Instroke is the weight even though I had 2x4's before. Nevertheless, I strongly suggest you get the Instroke for its tried & tested reputation.

However, if you're open to other suggestions, I highly recommend John Barton's cases.

I'm using one of John Barton's creations, the WAVE CASE which is sold under Sterling (this is my temporary case until I get to order my very own custom JB case in the near future). I got the 3x6 (lightweight interior) but I find it almost of the same weight as Instroke 2x4, even when fully loaded. It's even more compact (it's just a few mm thicker, and even shorter than Instroke 2x4). I find that acclimatization is slower with JB's case. The tube-foams are thick & smooth "cradling" my cues nicely (no rattling, etc), and I get the benefits of the PVC-tube protection but less the weight (check out JB's description on this on his site).

Hope this helps

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Although they look like they have the same height due to the angle of the cam shot, the wave case is actually shorter than the Instroke:
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