I think i might agree with you on this Randy. But there comes a time when you have to test that stroke and actually hit a ball. And to me, this is a good shot to do so. I mean, one can only roll so many balls down the table.
Mike
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I think i might agree with you on this Randy. But there comes a time when you have to test that stroke and actually hit a ball. And to me, this is a good shot to do so. I mean, one can only roll so many balls down the table.
Mike
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but I respectfully disagree. To say a replacement shot doesn't build your stroke is being an extremist (I just don't know which direction).Looking forward to hanging again and getting the low-down from pops
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Looking forward to hanging again and getting the low-down from pops
I'm with Randy.. the replacement shot and it's cousin the 2 inch draw are an exercise in exposing your mastery of speed and spin..
you cannot even attempt to master speed and spin until after you have a quality stroke:embarrassed2:
Agree Neill,
a stop shot HAS NO TOLERANCE. Some students gettin crazy if some shots *don t count*. A stop-shot has to be perfect without any tolerance.
The replacement shot is in my opinion for sure one of the most difficult shots- especially if you re dealing with new or just bad materials. Then a replacement shot is not a thing i would choose for sure.
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Not true, Dave. The stop shot, when done with a measurable result, can show many imperfections in your stroke. I agree with Neil, that the replacement shot is nowhere near as valuable as the stop shot. It is also 10x more difficult, even at 1 diamond away...let alone 4 diamonds, as Kinister suggests. Next time I see you, let me SHOW you what the stop shot can demonstrate. :thumbup:
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Well, I'd think if the CB went left/right with no side spin, you need to adjust your alignment. If the CB stayed pat while spinning in any direction, it shows the player that his/her tip placement is off. I'd guess some players could have a combination of the two, showing the teacher that a few things need to be adjusted.
Nevertheless, getting feedback from the above will not build a stroke. Stopping a CB dead in it's tracks doesn't mean you have a "developed" stroke... it just means you stopped the ball dead in its tracks. That's what I meant as far as it not showing you anything. I'll agree to disagree that stopping a ball perfectly means nothing as far has "having a stroke." I can execute PERFECT stop shots 1-handed... does that mean I have a pro-tour stroke? Um, nope.
I think you'll find that those who can execute a replacement shot successfully on a 9'er more often than not compared to the next person who really can't --- the person who can't is likely the underdog in most pool games.
Why -- because the person who can has a more refined, developed stroke.
I think that's all I have to say on the topic -- but I totally respect everyone's views on here. For once, DCP started a healthy conversation.
Nevertheless, getting feedback from the above will not build a stroke. Stopping a CB dead in it's tracks doesn't mean you have a "developed" stroke... it just means you stopped the ball dead in its tracks. That's what I meant as far as it not showing you anything. I'll agree to disagree that stopping a ball perfectly means nothing as far has "having a stroke." I can execute PERFECT stop shots 1-handed... does that mean I have a pro-tour stroke? Um, nope.
I think you'll find that those who can execute a replacement shot successfully on a 9'er more often than not compared to the next person who really can't --- the person who can't is likely the underdog in most pool games.
Why -- because the person who can has a more refined, developed stroke.
I think that's all I have to say on the topic -- but I totally respect everyone's views on here. For once, DCP started a healthy conversation.
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Dave...Without outright disagreeing with you, I'll post this as a compromise. UNTIL you can shoot a PERFECT stop shot (which, as Randy pointed out, is a 'stroke development' shot...as opposed to a 'stroke test' shot), trying to make the replacement shot will be a hit or miss proposition, for almost anybody.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Well, I'd think if the CB went left/right with no side spin, you need to adjust your alignment. If the CB stayed pat while spinning in any direction, it shows the player that his/her tip placement is off. I'd guess some players could have a combination of the two, showing the teacher that a few things need to be adjusted.
Nevertheless, getting feedback from the above will not build a stroke. Stopping a CB dead in it's tracks doesn't mean you have a "developed" stroke... it just means you stopped the ball dead in its tracks. That's what I meant as far as it not showing you anything. I'll agree to disagree that stopping a ball perfectly means nothing as far has "having a stroke." I can execute PERFECT stop shots 1-handed... does that mean I have a pro-tour stroke? Um, nope.
I think you'll find that those who can execute a replacement shot successfully on a 9'er more often than not compared to the next person who really can't --- the person who can't is likely the underdog in most pool games.
Why -- because the person who can has a more refined, developed stroke.
I think that's all I have to say on the topic -- but I totally respect everyone's views on here. For once, DCP started a healthy conversation.
What's your definition of a refined, developed stroke?
I don't include speed control in mine. Do you?
Mike
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randyg
I think so, because speed affects straightness. Like a golfer, you should swing straight while swinging lightly or firmly. Because you can stroke well at a lighter speed doesn't mean you can at a firmer (and vice-versa). I think the most refined stroke is straight at all speeds.
As far as speed control specifically vs stroke speed, that's separate. Stroke speed, in general, should be.
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