Struggling for no apparent reason...

Tommy-D

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> Ever had one of those sessions that just leaves you scratching your head? I played some Tuesday night,and had anyone that cared had been watching,I'd have been embarrassed to have played that bad. (We played close to 50 games,and I ran out a full rack less than 15 times,you can't beat ANYONE playing like that) What's killing me though,is exactly what was causing the problem. On shots I normally never miss,I lined them up just like normally,hit it with the speed I normally do to attain the position required,and get a totally different cue-ball reaction than what I expect,leaving me WAY out of line,or missing the ball period.


Shots along the rail where you use outside spin and draw to spin the ball in,and come back to the center of the table were a disaster,often resulting in the kind of miss I hate most,a "clunky",too-full hit that hits the rail a foot from the pocket and hangs,although other people can hit the shot the same way and somehow,it falls.

Other times,I'd use a high ball with outside spin,to come 2 rails and uptable,and once again hit the ball too full,sometimes making the ball but butchering position,or over-spinning it and coming in long enough to scratch in the corner,despite the commitment to coming in short.

I'd shoot a ball straight-in,and hit it with enough of a draw stroke to draw it back a foot or so slowly,and it stuck. I shorten my stroke up so I didn't over-draw it,and it comes back to me like it was shot out of a cannon,and all kinds of things I NEVER expect out of my stroke,which is the puzzling part. On shots where I expect a little deflection,I get NONE,or expect none and hit a ball 1/16 too full/too thin because it just didn't get back to where it normally does. I'm up here playing like a nervous APA 3,and simply cannot believe that despite my focus and determination to play well,that my stroke is letting me down.

I can't "charge" and attack my opponent relentlessly like normal,waiting on another unexpected miss to turn the table over to my opponent,who either isn't observant enough to notice things like this,or just doesn't care enough to analyze their mistakes,so these things NEVER affect them.

I admit that it's been a while since I was able to play with any kind of regularity,but dammit I still expect to run out open racks,not get well into a run and have something I'd never expect in a million years ruin it yet again.

While this particular table isn't the definition of pristine,it's still better than the tables here in town,and am reluctant to blame the table for this particular night of pathetic play. Something I noticed though was it seemed like a shorter,"punchier" stroke seemed to be more effective in spots than a longer,flowing stroke for whatever reason,but the rails are also an anomaly on this table. A live,loosely stroked ball seemed to get a rather dead reaction coming off the rail,while a slower shot from the same angle screamed off the rail.

Input please? Tommy D.
 
I'm slightly jealuos. I have only run about 15 full racks in my life and play like a nervous APA3 all the time. LOL But I'm improving and having fun. Good luck with your game.:D
 
was the door open?...super humid, raining?

I've had days like that down in Florida when the table get "a little muddy" :D

Gerry
 
It's all about sex. I prescribe an hour and ten minutes before your next pool session with a preferrably hot and somewhat skillful lady. Be sure to have at least 15 minutes break before playing though for your vision to clear back up.

The only thing that will prevent this from working is a 2+ hour calcutta before playing.
 
Hour 10 ? what do you do for the hour? Seriously get Max Eberle's book Zen Pool. Yes it's a shameless plug but these are exactly the kinds of things he addresses. Money well spent.
 
i've had the same experiences Tommy. i am certain i havent played as much in competition as you have (i've basically played very, very little) but there are times at my table where i just simply dont understand what happens.

you line the shots up the same, you stroke the same, hit it with the same speed, etc, etc, and you get different results than you did the day before. i guess thats part of the reason the game is played. somebody said once that "Whitey Doesnt Lie", although there are times i swear up and down the laws of physics dont apply to me, my table, or my balls.

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i've had the same experiences Tommy. i am certain i havent played as much in competition as you have (i've basically played very, very little) but there are times at my table where i just simply dont understand what happens.

you line the shots up the same, you stroke the same, hit it with the same speed, etc, etc, and you get different results than you did the day before. i guess thats part of the reason the game is played. somebody said once that "Whitey Doesnt Lie", although there are times i swear up and down the laws of physics dont apply to me, my table, or my balls.

DCP

Yes DCP this game is against you, and so are the Pool Gods! We have already told you that too!
 
Tommy-D said:
> Ever had one of those sessions that just leaves you scratching your head? I played some Tuesday night,and had anyone that cared had been watching,I'd have been embarrassed to have played that bad. (We played close to 50 games,and I ran out a full rack less than 15 times,you can't beat ANYONE playing like that) What's killing me though,is exactly what was causing the problem. On shots I normally never miss,I lined them up just like normally,hit it with the speed I normally do to attain the position required,and get a totally different cue-ball reaction than what I expect,leaving me WAY out of line,or missing the ball period.


Shots along the rail where you use outside spin and draw to spin the ball in,and come back to the center of the table were a disaster,often resulting in the kind of miss I hate most,a "clunky",too-full hit that hits the rail a foot from the pocket and hangs,although other people can hit the shot the same way and somehow,it falls.

Other times,I'd use a high ball with outside spin,to come 2 rails and uptable,and once again hit the ball too full,sometimes making the ball but butchering position,or over-spinning it and coming in long enough to scratch in the corner,despite the commitment to coming in short.

I'd shoot a ball straight-in,and hit it with enough of a draw stroke to draw it back a foot or so slowly,and it stuck. I shorten my stroke up so I didn't over-draw it,and it comes back to me like it was shot out of a cannon,and all kinds of things I NEVER expect out of my stroke,which is the puzzling part. On shots where I expect a little deflection,I get NONE,or expect none and hit a ball 1/16 too full/too thin because it just didn't get back to where it normally does. I'm up here playing like a nervous APA 3,and simply cannot believe that despite my focus and determination to play well,that my stroke is letting me down.

I can't "charge" and attack my opponent relentlessly like normal,waiting on another unexpected miss to turn the table over to my opponent,who either isn't observant enough to notice things like this,or just doesn't care enough to analyze their mistakes,so these things NEVER affect them.

I admit that it's been a while since I was able to play with any kind of regularity,but dammit I still expect to run out open racks,not get well into a run and have something I'd never expect in a million years ruin it yet again.

While this particular table isn't the definition of pristine,it's still better than the tables here in town,and am reluctant to blame the table for this particular night of pathetic play. Something I noticed though was it seemed like a shorter,"punchier" stroke seemed to be more effective in spots than a longer,flowing stroke for whatever reason,but the rails are also an anomaly on this table. A live,loosely stroked ball seemed to get a rather dead reaction coming off the rail,while a slower shot from the same angle screamed off the rail.

Input please? Tommy D.

Did you ever see the movie Tin Cup?

Tun your hat around backwards. Using your left hand, put all your chnge in your left pocket. Now tie your left shoe in a double knot.

All set?

Now, just go do it. Don't think abou it, just do it!

We often think ourselves into all kinds of slumps and the more we think and the more we adjust, the worse it gets. Just a thought.
 
DawgAndy said:
Hour 10 ? what do you do for the hour? Seriously get Max Eberle's book Zen Pool.

You dont know what to do for an hour and ten minutes but you have Max Eberle's book of Zen Pool. Sounds to me like you need to buy a different book that covers the hour and 10 minutes :D

You "might" actually end up enjoying the results more than pool! :eek: :cool: :p
 
Always ... Always .....

when your game deep sixes for a night, look at your basics, meaning stance, form, and stroke. You might have been feeling a little off physically or emotionally, and developed an unconscious bad quirk in your basic stroke.

If it happens again, get someone that is a real good player, and have them watch you shoot, and see if they see any flaws in your stroke or form. Sometimes, just bringing it to your attention, allows you to correct before it gets out of hand.
 
Tommy-D said:
> Ever had one of those sessions that just leaves you scratching your head? I played some Tuesday night,and had anyone that cared had been watching,I'd have been embarrassed to have played that bad. (We played close to 50 games,and I ran out a full rack less than 15 times,you can't beat ANYONE playing like that) What's killing me though,is exactly what was causing the problem. On shots I normally never miss,I lined them up just like normally,hit it with the speed I normally do to attain the position required,and get a totally different cue-ball reaction than what I expect,leaving me WAY out of line,or missing the ball period.


Shots along the rail where you use outside spin and draw to spin the ball in,and come back to the center of the table were a disaster,often resulting in the kind of miss I hate most,a "clunky",too-full hit that hits the rail a foot from the pocket and hangs,although other people can hit the shot the same way and somehow,it falls.

Other times,I'd use a high ball with outside spin,to come 2 rails and uptable,and once again hit the ball too full,sometimes making the ball but butchering position,or over-spinning it and coming in long enough to scratch in the corner,despite the commitment to coming in short.

I'd shoot a ball straight-in,and hit it with enough of a draw stroke to draw it back a foot or so slowly,and it stuck. I shorten my stroke up so I didn't over-draw it,and it comes back to me like it was shot out of a cannon,and all kinds of things I NEVER expect out of my stroke,which is the puzzling part. On shots where I expect a little deflection,I get NONE,or expect none and hit a ball 1/16 too full/too thin because it just didn't get back to where it normally does. I'm up here playing like a nervous APA 3,and simply cannot believe that despite my focus and determination to play well,that my stroke is letting me down.

I can't "charge" and attack my opponent relentlessly like normal,waiting on another unexpected miss to turn the table over to my opponent,who either isn't observant enough to notice things like this,or just doesn't care enough to analyze their mistakes,so these things NEVER affect them.

I admit that it's been a while since I was able to play with any kind of regularity,but dammit I still expect to run out open racks,not get well into a run and have something I'd never expect in a million years ruin it yet again.

While this particular table isn't the definition of pristine,it's still better than the tables here in town,and am reluctant to blame the table for this particular night of pathetic play. Something I noticed though was it seemed like a shorter,"punchier" stroke seemed to be more effective in spots than a longer,flowing stroke for whatever reason,but the rails are also an anomaly on this table. A live,loosely stroked ball seemed to get a rather dead reaction coming off the rail,while a slower shot from the same angle screamed off the rail.

Input please? Tommy D.

Tommy, put down your stick for 2 days. Get some tapes of your favorite player in action. Watch the tapes for 2 days- don't even pick up your stick. On the 3rd day your problems will be gone. Try it!
 
Bigjohn said:
Tommy, put down your stick for 2 days. Get some tapes of your favorite player in action. Watch the tapes for 2 days- don't even pick up your stick. On the 3rd day your problems will be gone. Try it!

he'd probably like to have some tapes of me playing..........:eek:

DCP
 
I have noticed that when something like this happens you have unknownly changed something in either your stance stroke or a number of other things. stepping a way for a few days sometimes will not help. i have found that slowing your stroke way down will bring out and show you what has changed. also having someone watch you will help a ton.
 
I'm certainly no expert but I have had this same experience and what I have noticed is that it is usually due to something on my mind other than pool....usually my relationship with my wife in some way or other.

Don't get me wrong...I love her very much!
She just has this unique way of pushing my buttons and when we are in that particular place I can not focus on pool and I play like SH!!!

Try giving some thought to what was going on in your life just before you played the other night, was it still on your mind and was it taking away your focus. It doesn't have to be something bad it usually is simply something that is very important to you and it drains your attention and focus away from your game.....at least that is what happens to me.

Pool is an especially jealous mistress!
 
Most of the time it's mental but it could be something as basic as needing a new cue tip or scuffing it.
 
efirkey said:
Most of the time it's mental but it could be something as basic as needing a new cue tip or scuffing it.

With all the various problems Tommy describes it and assuming that he is a pretty damn good player the problem does not stem from a faulty tip or any other simple flaw in stroke or table condition.

A good player will over come all those things in minutes.

If there persist a variety of problems through out a long session (like Tommy described) it is almost guaranteed to be mental or emotional or both, even physical fatique doesn't cause the kind of problems that Tommy described.....at least not with most good players.
 
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