Stupidity of 9-ball

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Don't get me wrong, I like the game. I play the game, and I try to get better. When the game is played at a high level, it's great. But how can anyone ignore how ridiculous the game can get when you just never get a shot, and your opponent keeps missing? This happens to the pros too, but often they play 2-way shots and rarely just flat out miss a ball like amatuers do. Obviously this game is much more stupid when amatuers play it. I was watching two guys gamble yesterday, one good player giving a weaker player the 7-out. From the beginning of the match, about 90% of the time the weaker player would hook the guy after missing, or leave him absoloutely nothing. The good player would play a safety in return, and the weaker guy would just slam at the balls, and get another safe or luck something in. What I am really trying to get at, is that all of this stupidity and wild luck factor could be changed with two pushouts. Similar to how it was played in the old days. Table control is given up too easily because of a lucky safe or a dry break. I really can't stand it when people get rewarded for errors. I know most of you will say the game is fine, don't change a thing, well just try to imagine how much better the game would be with a 2-push out rule. There is nothing negative that could come out of it, and no, the games wouldn't take longer.
 
Forget it! All they want is fast action. 9 ball on the snap. Might as well say 'call everything, including kisses'.
 
interesting, but i agree i hate it when this happens to me, someone misses and leaves you with nothing when you think you should get a shot when someone misses right lol. But yeah nineball is played on t.v. cause it is a faster game then eightball, and so is seven ball.
 
The hell with that game. 1P is a much better game to gamble on.:)
All the punks around here play 9. Thay all want to be like there hero
Alex p. Love that 3 foul rule:D ...suckers.:)
 
Some day you get the mine; other days you get the shaft.

Watch when they play the next time. The good guy will convince the other one that he is sooooo good that he can only give him the called 7.

Luck only goes so far.

Jake
 
LowEnglish said:
Don't get me wrong, I like the game. I play the game, and I try to get better. When the game is played at a high level, it's great. But how can anyone ignore how ridiculous the game can get when you just never get a shot, and your opponent keeps missing? This happens to the pros too, but often they play 2-way shots and rarely just flat out miss a ball like amatuers do. Obviously this game is much more stupid when amatuers play it. I was watching two guys gamble yesterday, one good player giving a weaker player the 7-out. From the beginning of the match, about 90% of the time the weaker player would hook the guy after missing, or leave him absoloutely nothing. The good player would play a safety in return, and the weaker guy would just slam at the balls, and get another safe or luck something in. What I am really trying to get at, is that all of this stupidity and wild luck factor could be changed with two pushouts. Similar to how it was played in the old days. Table control is given up too easily because of a lucky safe or a dry break. I really can't stand it when people get rewarded for errors. I know most of you will say the game is fine, don't change a thing, well just try to imagine how much better the game would be with a 2-push out rule. There is nothing negative that could come out of it, and no, the games wouldn't take longer.
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Actually two shot push out rewards bad play the most. You make an awful shot, get out of position, hook yourself, all you have to do is push out. You are never punished for your bad play. One foul is far more edgy and benefits the better player.
 
jjinfla said:
Some day you get the mine; other days you get the shaft.

Watch when they play the next time. The good guy will convince the other one that he is sooooo good that he can only give him the called 7.

Luck only goes so far.

Jake
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Yeah...then he will shoot it in on his push out.:rolleyes:
 
macguy said:
Actually two shot push out rewards bad play the most. You make an awful shot, get out of position, hook yourself, all you have to do is push out. You are never punished for your bad play. One foul is far more edgy and benefits the better player.
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Very good post, nailed it.
*given a rep.
 
TheConArtist said:
Very good post, nailed it.
*given a rep.
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I was thinking more along the lines of having a 2nd pushout when you come to the table after your opponent misses.
 
Thne safety play isnt as strong.
I'm like this with all sports I guess and it's rare. I love watching defensive battles. I can sit around for hours and watch the guys at the hall play golf.(Pool game.) I never have understood everyones infatuation with running out. Stringing racks together. Unless your setting a record, watching run outs its boring.
Maybe if I did it more I would like it...lol Saftys keep me in games.... Don't take them away.
 
LowEnglish said:
the weaker guy would just slam at the balls, and get another safe or luck something in. .
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Yea, this happens, but it also happens to good players that miss. It's a fact of the game, sometimes you just miss good and get lucky.

Think about how many times though that the weak player has just slammed the balls and left a wide open table for an easy runout. They consistently break up problem balls with these "slamming techniques", thus making the runout easier if the better player is skilled enough to actually run a rack
 
LowEnglish said:
From the beginning of the match, about 90% of the time the weaker player would hook the guy after missing, or leave him absoloutely nothing. The good player would play a safety in return, and the weaker guy would just slam at the balls, and get another safe or luck something in. .
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It happens to everybody, one of the challenges of the game is trying to get out from tough situations or making something out of nothing.

It would be a boring game when it's always an easy shot everytime you get your turn on the table.

Luck evens out in the end....
 
I like Grady's rules the best. Call shots and you can have your opponent shoot again after a miss and vice-versa if you don't like the shot you're left with. ;)

Generally, however, I'm of the opinion that nothing should be taken for granted once you've lost control of the table. :cool: If the other guy slopped something in or left you safe after missing a mile, that's only because you let the guy get to the table in the first place. Once you do that, you should be happy to get back to the table "even if the cueball stops on the lights" (Danny D.).:eek:

Furthermore, I don't see a guy who just bangs the balls trying to slop something in or accidentally get safe getting past a seasoned player. It just doesn't happen.:) Rolls even out over time...

That's not to say 9 ball isn't a weird, strange, and frustrating game, however! :D
 
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I agree that a game of nine ball is not a really good test of a shooters skill. Better to play one pocket or straight, IMO.

9 ball is still fun though.
 
Luck doesn't make 9-ball "stupid". It's just the nature of the game. Because you're required to hit balls in rotation and you only have one option (one ball to hit first), the luck factor creeps in more in 9-ball than in most games.

The game that requires the most skill without luck being a dominant factor is one-pocket. I've said this before, but it's no coincidence that Efren wins pretty much all the one-pocket tournaments he enters. If that's not proof that Efren is the best in the game today, I don't know what is.
 
i dont know about all this.....9ball is the main game i play except the occasional game of straight pool.......and yes luck can factor in but over time it evens out. To me thats one of the things that makes 9 challenging, playing someone whos getting lucky rolls and still beating them by just outthinking them.
 
I always

find it exciting putting some newly earned money into
my pocket, no matter what happened during the match,
runouts or safeties, doesn't matter. If I win by runouts,
then it is because I am so good, if I win by safeties, it is
because I am so smart ... It's a win-win situation ...lol
 
Ok nine ball luck.

I was just in a tournament where I had to give up three games in a race to five. It took two mistakes or bad rolls and two good or lucky shots for me to get knocked out of the tournament because it was a one loss.

So luck CAN play a major roll in nineball, no pun intended, but that should;ve never happened and likely wouldn't happen the majority of the time.

So will the better player always win, no..... but he/she will win the majority.
 
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