Summary -Day 3 - Shane vs Mika - TAR 19

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"CaliRed".

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well.. we're all done... now the long wait for another one:(

Shane wins 100-79.

We got off to a rough start, as we lost our video right when they switched over to PPV. Justin says that they had a lot of packet loss, which means that the video data is sent in "packets" of info and when the packets start dropping (not reaching their destination) then you got some serious problems. He placed a call to the Internet provider Time Warner and they saw it on their end, so they said would you like us to sent out a tech on Monday? I'm sure he read the riot act to them, and probably behind the scenes they might have had someone look at it quick and probably discovered a problem, or it cleared up on it's own. Anyways, we lost about a hour of feed.

This loss of a hour of playing means that there are no stats for 12 games. Which means all those stats for 12 games are not factored in there. Could have been some B&R's, dry breaks, misses balls, and who knows how many balls on the breaks are missing. I just kind of said Mika won these games and Shane won these games.

When we started back with the feed it was 79-64, so during that time, Shane had won 9 games to 4 for Mika. So Shane got off to a great start tonight.

Seems like someone is always on a run of games when it comes to the dinner break. Shane was on a 5 game run up until the break. He started off after the break, winning 3 more games.

When Shane got to 93-70, Mika got 3 games and then at 98-74, Mika got 5 more games in a row with a couple of Break and Runs. Shane had some chances to close it out but missed some easy balls near the end.

Mika seemed more resigned tonight when he realized he just wasn't going to be able to come back. Shane's firepower and steady play wouldn't go away.

Shane seemed very focused and had his break down good tonight. I had no Dry Breaks for him, but do not know what happened in the first 12 games. Mika had a little more success but his break still was not on par of Shane's. He had at least 8 Dry Breaks tonight compared to none for Shane. Keeping in mind we do not have stats for the first 12 games.

I will put a summary thread up tomorrow morning that will have some various totals and such.....

See you in the morning.

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Wow. How the hel can you beat Shane in 10-ball? 30 breaks with 0 dry. B&R's 9 out of 30=about 30%. Amazing. Thanks for the eye opener Red. I got stupid and broke my rule of betting against SVB and paid the price. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Wow. How the hel can you beat Shane in 10-ball? 30 breaks with 0 dry. B&R's 9 out of 30=about 30%. Amazing. Thanks for the eye opener Red. I got stupid and broke my rule of betting against SVB and paid the price. Johnnyt
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Like I said in the other thread, the biggest difference was specifically the break shot. Mika's overall break-and-run percentage was higher than Shane's on the breaks that they made a ball. Other than the breaking, it seems to me that they played pretty much the same speed. It just shows how important the break shot is in 10-ball.
 
JarnoV said:
Like I said in the other thread, the biggest difference was specifically the break shot. Mika's overall break-and-run percentage was higher than Shane's on the breaks that they made a ball. Other than the breaking, it seems to me that they played pretty much the same speed. It just shows how important the break shot is in 10-ball.
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I don't think you should forget about the safety play either. Besides the break this was by far the most crucial difference in play IMO. Going into the match up most people felt like this part of the game would favor Mika, especially since its on his home table. Shane seemed to win most every safety battle all three days, maybe due to the tables being freshly refelted causing Mika to be off.
 
dedstroke38 said:
I don't think you should forget about the safety play either. Besides the break this was by far the most crucial difference in play IMO. Going into the match up most people felt like this part of the game would favor Mika, especially since its on his home table. Shane seemed to win most every safety battle all three days, maybe due to the tables being freshly refelted causing Mika to be off.
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No doubt that kind of breaking skill is by far the paramount advantage in such a game or match.

This then trickles down into all other aspects. Such as safety play. When you make a ball or balls as often as SVB, you have the initiative. You have control to execute the first safety. Mika has to come back with a return safety at best, or try and get a hit at worst.

Usually the player that played the first safety has the advantage and comes out on top. Rarely can a player over come this, such as Efren in his prime.

The fact that it was as close as it was, given SVB's break is a testament to Mika's incredible talent and skill. At this elite level, to have to cope with an opponent who is earning himself a massive advantage, leading to all sorts of greater opportunity and initiative is no easy feat at all. It's almost like Mika is dealing with a handicap or giving up weight. Of course, he is not. All of this is earned by SVB's incredible talent. But that's just a way to describe the effect of it.

Most players would become quickly demoralized and lose the will to compete. Mika is tough for hanging in their against such a great break by SVB.

Had SVB's break been off....that changes everything. It cannot be said enough how much of a factor that is. It really defines this kind of match play.
 
Stop yout whining already, dry breaks, felt, blah blah blah...yall sound like some Monday night league players. Pros play to win and the cream always rises to the top

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thuglife520 said:
Stop yout whining already, dry breaks, felt, blah blah blah...
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What whining? Shane's obviously better player in 10-ball if he breaks better and plays about the same speed otherwise, I'm sure no one is going to deny that.

Shane played better, period. But it is interesting to speculate on how exactly he played better.
 
Great stats job Cali!....and as always, the numbers NEVER lie. I was truely surprised at the total outcome......I bet Mika wouldn't "88" but didn't have much faith in the bet.

one point about the safety aspect. Not one time did I see either player tie up balls? Maybe they don't like to do it, or it's looked at as a last ditch effort, but it is damn effective at times. I may not kick as good as a Pinoy, but I know if I have a less then 40% kick hit, I will move to tie things up because I have confidence breaking out balls. I do play a ton of 14.1 so maybe that has something to do with it.

I do this many times in tourneys and players come to the table with a perplexed look because they figured they would get a shot,BUT not have so much work to do.

anyway, another GREAT event by TAR....congrats for pulling that one off!!!


I'm now REALLY looking forward to the Open....whats the line on these two guys meeting in the finals? :)

G.
 
I saw both players tie up balls a number of times. But you're right, players should do it more if it's a better % move than a kick safe or whatever. It's part of good defense and sometimes better than the safe esp if they try to break it out instread of re safeing(prob not a word). Johnnyt
 
Thank you for all your work, Cali! Amazing info you've presented for us.

Yep, SVB's break is the big story...again. Not only was he making more balls on the snap, but he does something else that is less obvious...and something Mika has to think about.

When SVB breaks, he pops the CB up. Mika's CB is flat. What difference does this make? A HUGE one.

Popping the CB allows SVB's 1B to come straighter back to lie in front of the upper corner pocket. Mika's flat CB makes the 1B hits the side railer sooner to come to rest along the short rail. If Mika made a ball, his CB would be mid-table or lower and he would have no shot on the 1B. SVB would just start running from the hanging 1B. "Play position" on the 1B seems to have been lost lately.

Further, SVB's break & racking technique maximizes his chances of making a ball. He plays the two balls behind the 1B to the side pockets. They don't fall often, but they do get kicked in on occasion. The two lower corner balls are played 4-rails. The two inner balls on the last row go up table toward the corner pockets. The 1B either comes to rest in front of the upper corner pocket or falls. If it falls, the 2B is usually around the bottom corner pockets with the 3B (the 2B & 3B are racked on the lower corners for this reason...keep the low numbered balls near the corners).


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EDIT: CAN ANYONE SEE THE BALLS ON THE CUETABLE ABOVE? IT IS BLANK WHEN I VIEW IT! CUETABLE HAS LOST A LOT SINCE MOVING TO POOL.BZ.
 
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Are you implying Shane was pattern racking? Oh No!

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And here I was thinking Shane was a good guy...

AH HA!! THIS is what's wrong with pool today! ;)




(Good post and observations mosconiac)
 
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