Super Slippy Tip Tool
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I have never seen the slippy tool. I do however have the cue shark PUP. It's the same price as the slippy tool $24.95. It's the best tip tool I have ever owned.
http://cueshark.com/cuesharkpup.htm
http://cueshark.com/cuesharkpup.htm
My Tip Tool is Tools
1. Williard
2. Porper Mushroom Tool
3. Old Style Black Steel Tip Tapper
4. Sandpaper 220 Grit
Mostly use the 220 Grit Sandpaper, and Mushroom Tool.
1. Williard
2. Porper Mushroom Tool
3. Old Style Black Steel Tip Tapper
4. Sandpaper 220 Grit
Mostly use the 220 Grit Sandpaper, and Mushroom Tool.
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Isn't that "Slippy" tool also called the Golden Brick or the Ultimate Tip Tool. Take a look on eBay. Both those tools are there (CueShark and "Slippy").
Try this: http://www.seyberts.com/products/Gold_Multi_Tip_Tool-100062-24.html, you'll save some money if you haven't already bought it.
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The advantage of Slippy over the Ultimate, is that the ultimate uses small sandpaper inserts glued into the shaper and trimmer. My experience was that these wore down very quickly, and frequently needed to be replaced. I believe the slippy is designed more like the Cue Cube in that area.
Steve
Steve
Description for the Slippy on its packaging mentions replacing sand paper. Doubt there is much advantage. That cue shark looks nice but also overpriced.
I use the "Ultimate" tip tool from time to time... I like to carry one when I travel without my cue. That way I can re-shape the tip on a 'house cue' if I end up going somewhere to shoot pool. They work great on taking the "mushroom" out of a tip
If you look around, you may be able to find them for less than the posted price too!
Thanks all. I have the ultimate tool and I like it. The super slippy looks like it might do a betteer job of trimming the sides up, that is why I was interested. It also looks like the ultimates tapper is better. I like to swing a tapper like a mini hammer. Maybe I"ll stay with what I have and try something specific like a mushroom grazer or the like.
I know my big shaver is more of a big pain at shaving!
I know my big shaver is more of a big pain at shaving!
Jeez another tip banger. I really dislike the noise of someone banging away on there tip. Although the name suggests the intended use, there is a much better way. Use it as a knurling tool. Hold the tool in one open hand at an angle. Then roll the shaft with butt attached with an open palm. Some day I may make a video but it is very fast with even coverage and no noise. It takes me about 10 seconds. Thanks for listening.
Rod
CueShark1
Owner, CueShark
apples to apples...
First, sincere thanks to those of you who have purchased a CueShark PUP and have posted your comments. I worked very hard for many years to make a quality tool and always like to hear when people are happy with them.
Second, I do have a Slippy Tool (its my job to research other tip tools) and although you can consider anything I have to say as biased, I will try to keep my comments factual and let you form your own opinions.
The Slippy Tool does use sandpaper inserts for its shapers, which will need to be replaced. This is the same as the Ultimate Tip Tool and many others. The Slippy Tool is made entirely of Brass. It's weight is 4oz.(1/4 lb.). According to the directions this is to enable the user to use it's weight to compress the tip before shaping by tapping it repeatedly. Still, seems a bit heavy (the CueShark PUP weighs 1.28 oz).
I must admit the side trimmer/burnisher is a nice idea. Rotating it in one direction trims the side of the tip, rotating in the opposite direction will burnish the tip. This is because one side is sharpened to a knife edge and the other is rounded. The burnisher works ok, but the angle is just a little too steep. The thing I find to be problematic is the trimmer. It is very sharp to begin with, so if the tool is not handled carefully it’s possible to cut yourself. Also, the blade is BRASS. I have been machining parts for years and have never seen other manufacturers make blades from soft materials that will not hold an edge. Again, I think the concept is great, just needs a little more thought.
Now, I think the Tip Dimpler (as they call it) is a great idea! Do you know why? Looks awfully familiar to the Tip Perforator on the CueShark, doesn't it? How does that saying go? “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”?! I guess? It’s not exactly the same, because it’s not as quite as wide as the CueShark perforator design... but still…
Obviously, you can form your own opinions on the Slippy Tool, UTT, or the CueShark. I look forward to hearing what other people have to say - good, bad or indifferent.
I have one last comment. Let’s make sure we compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Some people seem to think tools are overpriced at $25. Let’s remember what you get and what we are comparing to. The original Ultimate Tip Tool is a good tool...most would say a bit of a legend. It is, in my opinion, because it is a QUALITY TOOL, MADE IN THE USA!! So is the CueShark. Comparing these to some of the other tools that are made over seas and saying they are just as good just doesn't make sense to me. Why? Because they are priced better? I do not hear of too many AZ'ers running to Wally World to buy their cues. Why not? The prices I guarantee are much better. So lets compare for $25 - Made in the USA, Lifetime Warranty, and nothing to replace. Which tools offer that? Oh, by the way, if you check the back side of the Slippy Tool packaging, there is a little sticker on there that says: Made in ..... (and it is not the USA).
But, then again… I might be biased.
First, sincere thanks to those of you who have purchased a CueShark PUP and have posted your comments. I worked very hard for many years to make a quality tool and always like to hear when people are happy with them.
Second, I do have a Slippy Tool (its my job to research other tip tools) and although you can consider anything I have to say as biased, I will try to keep my comments factual and let you form your own opinions.
The Slippy Tool does use sandpaper inserts for its shapers, which will need to be replaced. This is the same as the Ultimate Tip Tool and many others. The Slippy Tool is made entirely of Brass. It's weight is 4oz.(1/4 lb.). According to the directions this is to enable the user to use it's weight to compress the tip before shaping by tapping it repeatedly. Still, seems a bit heavy (the CueShark PUP weighs 1.28 oz).
I must admit the side trimmer/burnisher is a nice idea. Rotating it in one direction trims the side of the tip, rotating in the opposite direction will burnish the tip. This is because one side is sharpened to a knife edge and the other is rounded. The burnisher works ok, but the angle is just a little too steep. The thing I find to be problematic is the trimmer. It is very sharp to begin with, so if the tool is not handled carefully it’s possible to cut yourself. Also, the blade is BRASS. I have been machining parts for years and have never seen other manufacturers make blades from soft materials that will not hold an edge. Again, I think the concept is great, just needs a little more thought.
Now, I think the Tip Dimpler (as they call it) is a great idea! Do you know why? Looks awfully familiar to the Tip Perforator on the CueShark, doesn't it? How does that saying go? “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”?! I guess? It’s not exactly the same, because it’s not as quite as wide as the CueShark perforator design... but still…
Obviously, you can form your own opinions on the Slippy Tool, UTT, or the CueShark. I look forward to hearing what other people have to say - good, bad or indifferent.
I have one last comment. Let’s make sure we compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Some people seem to think tools are overpriced at $25. Let’s remember what you get and what we are comparing to. The original Ultimate Tip Tool is a good tool...most would say a bit of a legend. It is, in my opinion, because it is a QUALITY TOOL, MADE IN THE USA!! So is the CueShark. Comparing these to some of the other tools that are made over seas and saying they are just as good just doesn't make sense to me. Why? Because they are priced better? I do not hear of too many AZ'ers running to Wally World to buy their cues. Why not? The prices I guarantee are much better. So lets compare for $25 - Made in the USA, Lifetime Warranty, and nothing to replace. Which tools offer that? Oh, by the way, if you check the back side of the Slippy Tool packaging, there is a little sticker on there that says: Made in ..... (and it is not the USA).
But, then again… I might be biased.
I had a Supertool a couple of years ago EXACTLY like the Slippy. Even came in a nice leather case. Unfortunately someone stole it from me. I particularly like the dimpler on the top. Simply rolling it on your tip works great.
I like the looks of the cueshark tool. If I didn't have other tools I would probably purchase one of those so I don't have to carry multiple tools around.
At this time I'm using a Cue Magic Mezz Professional Tip Tool. It uses steel abrasives that do not clog and should never need to be replaced. NOTE: it does NOT have a burnisher but I do have one of the Porper burnishers for that purpose. The great thing about the Mezz tool is it have 3 radius shapers (dime, nickel, and quarter) and 2 flat scuffers built in
Now as far as using any of the tools mentioned above to trim a tip, I personally wouldn't. If you do, you really need to practise because you can easily damage your ferrule if used incorrectly.
I like the looks of the cueshark tool. If I didn't have other tools I would probably purchase one of those so I don't have to carry multiple tools around.
At this time I'm using a Cue Magic Mezz Professional Tip Tool. It uses steel abrasives that do not clog and should never need to be replaced. NOTE: it does NOT have a burnisher but I do have one of the Porper burnishers for that purpose. The great thing about the Mezz tool is it have 3 radius shapers (dime, nickel, and quarter) and 2 flat scuffers built in
Now as far as using any of the tools mentioned above to trim a tip, I personally wouldn't. If you do, you really need to practise because you can easily damage your ferrule if used incorrectly.
Everyone reading this, do yourselves a favor and spend your $25 on a CueShark PUP. I got mine last week and it's unreal. I used it on all four of my cues and the results exceeded my expectations. It is honestly the only tip tool I need in my bag, and that's saying a lot coming from the guy who used to carry as many as five different things in his bag at once for tip maintenance.
Trust me, you won't regret it. And no, I am not being paid to say any of this ... although maybe I should be. What do you think, Kevin?
Trust me, you won't regret it. And no, I am not being paid to say any of this ... although maybe I should be. What do you think, Kevin?
If you want to tap the tip, which a time-honored way to compress the tip and firm it up then you need some weight. The extra weight of the Slippy tool does this quite nicely, kind of like a using a heavy file which is what the top players here in China use all the time. Except that a file is too big to carry around all the time. The sandpaper inserts work perfectly and have been a staple on the Ultimate and other tip tools for years. We have seen many tip tools use the same core as your PUP has and they do wear out. And when they wear out that's it there is no replacing them. You say you guarantee that they will last forever but will you be around forever to honor that guarantee?
Other tip tool companies have made similar promises and claims and most of them are out of business now. I can relate to your passion and dedication here as I manufacture a product that I also believe is better than the competition's. However since I work for Sterling Gaming and I wrote the copy on the Slippy Tool's packaging we are on opposite sides of the fence here and as such I need to address the points you bring up.
This concept is proven. As mooseman pointed out this tip tool is nearly identical to the Super Tool which was on the market for years. The trimmer works as intended and for the occasional use it will do many many tips before losing the edge. It's not intended as a tool to use on a constant basis but instead for the light duty trimming a tip needs from time to time.
We have sold thousands of the Super Tool and when that company went out of business - don't know why - we decided to make our own version. In the time we were actively selling the original it was extremely popular and the consumers reported that it worked as advertised.
Please don't continue to assume that we copied you. For one thing the Super Tool was on the market long before you came along. For the other there have been several such devices on the market which have had such dimplers. I don't suppose you remember the Stubby tool do you? Kevin McGuigan is a friend of mine who invented that tool and it was on the market in the 90s. He would be quite surprised to see you claiming to have invented the machined tip dimpler.
Until you sent us some kind of a notice claiming that we copied you none of us had ever seen your tools. But if you really want to go down the road of who copied whom then I suggest you look at the fact that you are selling an item that takes the ideas of MANY who came before you and attempts to roll them all into one tool.
Well you got them.
You are really going to play the "patriot card"? Well, kudos for turning a question about the Slippy Tool into an ad for your product. I know a little about this tactic so don't be surprised when the same sort of thing happens in threads where people ask about your product.
I am not saying that the Slippy Tool is better than your product. I don't know that until I get one of yours which I will now make a point of doing so that I can compare it for myself.
I am saying however that the Slippy Tool works as advertised and is a good multifunction tool. I base that on my own 20 years of experience in this business and having used and sold just about every tool out there.
You have some misconception that we have copied you, we haven't. You are on a mission to promote your product which is great. Just don't act as though you created the greatest new thing because honestly, your new thing is really just a bunch of things others invented that you rolled into one piece. Yours MIGHT be better than all who have come before you but it's doubtful.
You say that you have a Slippy Tool. Instead of wrapping yourself in the flag, how about telling us from your machinist's point of view whether it's a quality piece or not? I am curious to hear the answer. Of course since you are admittedly biased I hope you will forgive me when I take the Slippy Tool to another machine shop for their opinion as well, one not tainted by competitive drive.
But, then again… I might be biased.
[/QUOTE]And misguided.
I don't put out products that don't work. Nor do I put out products that are crappy.
I was tasked to make a replacement for the Super Tool and I did make one that works well and is well made.
Nothing on it is copied from your tool. Everything on the Slippy Tool was invented long before your product arrived in the marketplace.
As I said I can appreciate your enthusiasm and competitive zeal. Please keep it factual or we will butt heads in more than this forum.
Best regards,
John Barton
Sterling Gaming
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