SVB/Mika Score 6-10

Island Drive

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As I was watching Shane line up on the 3 ball at time marker 15:33, I thought his shot choice was too difficult and aggressive.

As I looked at Shane, lining up this shot ''almost straight in'' I didn't like it.....he needed ALLOT of cue speed....was very difficult to squirt cut the 3 and draw Whitey up/back for his next ball

What I saw to be the correct shot waaaaay before he pulled the trigger was this. It was similar to his first shot at 3-10 to get back into the match.

He should of clipped the red 3 ball on the l/s, gone 4 rails to the head rail too utilize the 3 blocking balls 4-5-9.

It was a natural shot, clip banking the 3 too the foot rail....leaving em hooked and 9 ft away from the red.
 
As I was watching Shane line up on the 3 ball at time marker 15:33, I thought his shot choice was too difficult and aggressive.

As I looked at Shane, lining up this shot ''almost straight in'' I didn't like it.....he needed ALLOT of cue speed....was very difficult to squirt cut the 3 and draw Whitey up/back for his next ball

What I saw to be the correct shot waaaaay before he pulled the trigger was this. It was similar to his first shot at 3-10 to get back into the match.

He should of clipped the red 3 ball on the l/s, gone 4 rails to the head rail too utilize the 3 blocking balls 4-5-9.

It was a natural shot, clip banking the 3 too the foot rail....leaving em hooked and 9 ft away from the red.
EPIC double hand flip after that leave!
 
I knew a motorcycle racer that told me if you never crashed you couldn't win because you weren't racing fast enough.

In poker they say if you don't have some bluffs get called off you're not playing aggressively enough.

Pool has evolved into a very offensive game. A great example is the 5 ball billiard off of the 2 ball in his Kazakis match (and the half pocket table length back cut immediately after!). All of the great players get very offensive and push the aggression pedal to the floor. Sometimes it doesn't work. But there are 3-4 other times where I would've played a safety, gotten into a moving game, lost my momentum, and maybe turned over the table and gone on to lose the match, whereas these guys found a way through the rack instead and followed it up with a break and run or two.

So when I see this I don't think the lesson is that SVB sometimes gets too aggressive and should exercise better judgement. I think I need to be less concerned with the occasional error and go after it a bit more.

A closing thought. Just remembered this. A world class player told me one time not to worry about missing balls or making mistakes. He said "It's not who misses the least balls, it's who runs the most racks."
 
Shot choice.....

Keep in mind T.M.

Pool matches are more often Won than lost by Great defense, board play and shot selection.


Shane could of easily lost this match, but ''got a roll''.

Which I'm sure Mika probably did at least ''once'' to get his Huge lead.

Looking forward to seeing the match from it's beginning.
 
Tim Man, here's a perspective from two men who know this game, and are both respected players in our world. John Henderson and Frank Almanza.

Copy/paste

SAFETY PLAY
Here are some words regarding safety play. Long read.
I'm going to tell you a story from as well as I can recollect. This goes back to maybe the late sixties or the early seventies. I remember reading this in one of the billiard publications of the time. Don't remember which one or any specific details, but you may find it interesting because it leads us into this month's topic. If I get some details incorrect, it doesn't matter because the point should still come across.
At or near the end of a straight pool tournament that was being held in the East Coast of the U.S., some interviews were being conducted. One of the tournament entries was a gentleman from Japan that had ventured over to participate. If my memory serves me correct I think his name was Fujima. If I'm wrong with that I apologize to him or whoever it was. In no way am I trying to be disrespectful to anyone. Sorry!
Anyway, this gentleman didn't fair very well in the tournament, and during his interview he was asked for his reaction on the style of play in America. His comment was that the American way had far too many safeties. In Japan, the game was mainly played for sport and enjoyment. He stated that to play defense was not the Japanese way. To me, I took it that their heritage and pride viewed defense as a way of showing a bit of cowardice. He mentioned that the Japanese way was to be more aggressive with offense. I can see that because I think of their culture in that fashion. Something or other about saving face.
Shortly after that interview, an American cueist was interviewed. I seem to think it was The Miz but I'm not sure. He was asked to comment on the response gotten from the gentleman from Japan. He in turn asked the interviewer, do they gamble on the game in Japan? When the interviewer answered that they didn't. His reply was "Well when they start gambling, they'll start playing safe".
Now, many years later all the top players, world wide, have incorporated defensive play into their game. The Asian countries, Japan included, have also developed some defensive plays into creative masterpieces.
My idea with this story is not promote gambling in any way, but just as a way to stress the importance of a tool that is available to everyone, but not used by all. Defensive play! If your intention in playing this game is to win, then read on.
Going into battle in a game of pool you need to arm your weapons belt with everything that is available to you. An important item that needs to be strapped on is safety play. Check out your opponent's belt, is it bigger than yours? If so, then chances are you'll probably lose in the long run.
To some, this little weapon may not look significant enough to bother with, but oh how wrong they are. Let's talk about this little guy. So now the Barber speaks…
Playing defensive shots and forcing your opponent to commit errors can result in winning opportunities for you by either getting better position, a different layout, or better yet, a ball in hand. Better players not only expect, but rely on these forced errors.
The two most popular pool games that are being played in our part of the world today have evolved into a ball in hand situation after any foul is committed. Of course, we know them as eight ball and nine ball. The introduction of one foul ball in hand into these two games has put them into a different dimension. We now have graduated from checkers to chess. Like chess we need to learn how to move our pieces sideways and backwards as well as forward.
This one single rule of "one foul ball in hand" has dramatically changed the complexion of these games in the way they are now being played, as opposed to years gone by. Unless you're an individual that can completely overpower your opponents with exceptional physical skills, then you're like most of us and need to learn how to employ your wits.
Straight pool and one pocket have always had defined penalties for any infractions of the rules that resulted in a foul. In straight pool, you lose one ball for every foul and up to eighteen balls if three consecutive fouls are committed, plus you earn the honors of reopening the game again with a full rack. This is not a good thing.
In one pocket, you lose one ball for each foul. This is a huge penalty for a game where the opponents have each other calibrated down to half a ball. This also is not good. The rules in these two games have always had solid structure because they were always involved in organized competition. Eight ball and nine ball have now grown up to join in on the respect their brothers command.
In this day and age, playing defensive shots is not considered dishonorable; it's a necessity. These days if someone tells me that they don't play safeties it may be because they haven't realized the strength in them, haven't developed the skills to use them correctly, unsure as to when, or they just may be embarrassed to try.
Planning and executing a good safety is just as satisfying as anything else that we do well.
Using your wits can certainly even the odds in a match with an opponent that clearly has superior skills that yours.
Imagine yourself in a match and you have the superior skills and are adept at defensive play. Undoubtedly it's very possible that you can keep your opponent completely handcuffed throughout the whole match.
In summary, if you use your wits, it's very possible to whittle a better skilled opponent down closer to your level or lower. If he wins anyway, you should be satisfied that he had to earn it and it wasn't just given to him. If you're the superior player, show them why you are. Exhibit a well-rounded game using everything in your weapons belt. Defensive play is as much a part of the game as any other facet. In this day and age if you want to be competitive then you must consider safety play as part of your game. Play safe and I'll see you in the finals instead of the in the gallery along with all the other spectators.
 
Tim Man, here's a perspective from two men who know this game, and are both respected players in our world. John Henderson and Frank Almanza.

Copy/paste

SAFETY PLAY
Here are some words regarding safety play. Long read.
I'm going to tell you a story from as well as I can recollect. This goes back to maybe the late sixties or the early seventies. I remember reading this in one of the billiard publications of the time. Don't remember which one or any specific details, but you may find it interesting because it leads us into this month's topic. If I get some details incorrect, it doesn't matter because the point should still come across.
At or near the end of a straight pool tournament that was being held in the East Coast of the U.S., some interviews were being conducted. One of the tournament entries was a gentleman from Japan that had ventured over to participate. If my memory serves me correct I think his name was Fujima. If I'm wrong with that I apologize to him or whoever it was. In no way am I trying to be disrespectful to anyone. Sorry!
Anyway, this gentleman didn't fair very well in the tournament, and during his interview he was asked for his reaction on the style of play in America. His comment was that the American way had far too many safeties. In Japan, the game was mainly played for sport and enjoyment. He stated that to play defense was not the Japanese way. To me, I took it that their heritage and pride viewed defense as a way of showing a bit of cowardice. He mentioned that the Japanese way was to be more aggressive with offense. I can see that because I think of their culture in that fashion. Something or other about saving face.
Shortly after that interview, an American cueist was interviewed. I seem to think it was The Miz but I'm not sure. He was asked to comment on the response gotten from the gentleman from Japan. He in turn asked the interviewer, do they gamble on the game in Japan? When the interviewer answered that they didn't. His reply was "Well when they start gambling, they'll start playing safe".
Now, many years later all the top players, world wide, have incorporated defensive play into their game. The Asian countries, Japan included, have also developed some defensive plays into creative masterpieces.
My idea with this story is not promote gambling in any way, but just as a way to stress the importance of a tool that is available to everyone, but not used by all. Defensive play! If your intention in playing this game is to win, then read on.
Going into battle in a game of pool you need to arm your weapons belt with everything that is available to you. An important item that needs to be strapped on is safety play. Check out your opponent's belt, is it bigger than yours? If so, then chances are you'll probably lose in the long run.
To some, this little weapon may not look significant enough to bother with, but oh how wrong they are. Let's talk about this little guy. So now the Barber speaks…
Playing defensive shots and forcing your opponent to commit errors can result in winning opportunities for you by either getting better position, a different layout, or better yet, a ball in hand. Better players not only expect, but rely on these forced errors.
The two most popular pool games that are being played in our part of the world today have evolved into a ball in hand situation after any foul is committed. Of course, we know them as eight ball and nine ball. The introduction of one foul ball in hand into these two games has put them into a different dimension. We now have graduated from checkers to chess. Like chess we need to learn how to move our pieces sideways and backwards as well as forward.
This one single rule of "one foul ball in hand" has dramatically changed the complexion of these games in the way they are now being played, as opposed to years gone by. Unless you're an individual that can completely overpower your opponents with exceptional physical skills, then you're like most of us and need to learn how to employ your wits.
Straight pool and one pocket have always had defined penalties for any infractions of the rules that resulted in a foul. In straight pool, you lose one ball for every foul and up to eighteen balls if three consecutive fouls are committed, plus you earn the honors of reopening the game again with a full rack. This is not a good thing.
In one pocket, you lose one ball for each foul. This is a huge penalty for a game where the opponents have each other calibrated down to half a ball. This also is not good. The rules in these two games have always had solid structure because they were always involved in organized competition. Eight ball and nine ball have now grown up to join in on the respect their brothers command.
In this day and age, playing defensive shots is not considered dishonorable; it's a necessity. These days if someone tells me that they don't play safeties it may be because they haven't realized the strength in them, haven't developed the skills to use them correctly, unsure as to when, or they just may be embarrassed to try.
Planning and executing a good safety is just as satisfying as anything else that we do well.
Using your wits can certainly even the odds in a match with an opponent that clearly has superior skills that yours.
Imagine yourself in a match and you have the superior skills and are adept at defensive play. Undoubtedly it's very possible that you can keep your opponent completely handcuffed throughout the whole match.
In summary, if you use your wits, it's very possible to whittle a better skilled opponent down closer to your level or lower. If he wins anyway, you should be satisfied that he had to earn it and it wasn't just given to him. If you're the superior player, show them why you are. Exhibit a well-rounded game using everything in your weapons belt. Defensive play is as much a part of the game as any other facet. In this day and age if you want to be competitive then you must consider safety play as part of your game. Play safe and I'll see you in the finals instead of the in the gallery along with all the other spectators.

Island, I agree with this quoted post 100%. I've built my entire pool game around game management. Ducking on this three ball is exactly the kind of thing I would have done in the past playing amateur opposition, particularly on tough equipment or if I was feeling wobbly. Not only might this be the right percentage, there is a lot of value in eliminating unforced errors, never hanging a ball by avoiding any shots you can miss, making them fight for everything. Like Chicago style one pocket it can suffocate players and totally break them down.

The problem is I took that road as far as I could. As I went from local, to regional, to national, to international level competition, the percentages changed. Locally my opponent would be on their back, discouraged, and I'd end up with ball in hand half the time, or I could just duck again if they didn't sell out on the kick. This breaks down against the elite pros. I'm not saying they can jump everything in, but it changes. The vast majority of the time they get a good hit. Sometimes they make it and run out. Sometimes they hook you back. And sometimes they leave distance and so many problems you wish you'd shot when you had the chance.

Another point we likely agree on is that players shouldn't necessarily try to play like pros. Just because a pro can do something doesn't mean it's the percentage for an amateur in their game. I think you have to know your skill set and play in the way that gives you the best chance of a win. You watch the pros not to try those shots today, but rather as a guide to know where you need to continue to improve. Always try to take the right shot for you.

So there is much we agree on. Clearly we need to game manage, play a balance of offense and defense, and play to our skills. The only question we disagreed on is whether SVB, one of the greatest 9 ball players on the planet, facing a straight shot with comfortable bridging, on slidey new cloth, was reckless to go offensive. Here I think it is a requirement that he shoot. I think 10/10 top players shoot here and it's not even close.

I guess what I'm saying is I agree with your overall thesis about the importance of defense and game management, and that this could be an example of how amateurs might be best served making different decisions than top pros, but I don't think this is a good example of SVB getting out of line.
 
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