From the rules:
... When ball rack template is used at 14.1 the outline of a triangle will still be drawn for the purpose of deciding whether a ball is in the rack area.. ...
Did JS’ BCA certified run have an outline?
Lou Figueroa
From the rules:
... When ball rack template is used at 14.1 the outline of a triangle will still be drawn for the purpose of deciding whether a ball is in the rack area.. ...
Re: post #848
He used a triangle.Did JS’ BCA certified run have an outline?
Lou Figueroa
He used a triangle.
What is wrong with you? This is supposed to be about "SVB high run attempt". He just missed a 97/100 shot. You post about JS. So lame. How did he miss that? Was he going for shape on a particular ball? Was there some situation that most would miss? Did he just dog it? Would be great if you effin narcissist would post about the actual subject.
He used a triangle rather than template + outline. The outline is only required if a template rack is used.OK, but did he have the proscribed outline on the table?
Lou Figueroa
simple question
Why is that so undesirable? Honest curiosity...A line around the inside of the triangle (the tangent of the object balls in the rack), would result in unplayable break balls.
I am suggesting just the balls. And the balls should be a known entity because the spot is there, and the ball size is a constant.Let's assume racking templates are deemed ok in 14.1. We still have the question of when to send the 15th ball to the head spot. Do we want an "interference" area around the balls, or just the balls? From a practical viewpoint, wouldn't it have to be just the balls?
But I still say this is for the future, after rules are reviewed and possibly changed. Today, we need "an outline of the rack" around the balls.
He used a triangle rather than template + outline. The outline is only required if a template rack is used.
I think he's just more comfortable with the half-ball cut. That cut removes 75% of the cue ball's energy. A 60-degree cut removes only 25%. (That ignores any follow-through-the-balls action.) I think that difference in energy loss is why the ancients used more cut angle with shorter shots.One thing I noticed is that Shane's CB placement for break shots was always for about the same cut angle (~30 degrees/half ball?) regardless of how close or far the break ball was from the rack.
Is that common practice? If so, is it because the half ball cut is the best combination of easy to hit and good carom angle for power into the rack?
pj
chgo
Maybe you’re right, that’s how I understood what he was saying.Are you sure?
Bob is saying: “The rules require a triangle to be outlined even when you are using a non-triangle racking method. In/out is determined by the outline.”
The “even” makes me wonder if your interpretation is correct.
Lou Figueroa
I dont recall a triangle outline used at most events I’ve ever been to. The Derby City 14.1 Challenge… they often used tournament tables, so no triangle outline.Are you sure?
Bob is saying: “The rules require a triangle to be outlined even when you are using a non-triangle racking method. In/out is determined by the outline.”
The “even” makes me wonder if your interpretation is correct.
Lou Figueroa
If they were using a Sardo Rack then I guess that took pretty good care of figuring out if the ball was playable or not.Why no adherence to rules required for JS626.
Please, show us those pictures that You have of the table John Schmidt used:
Just for clarity. Do you think anyone got a piece of the Simonis 760 Tournament Cloth Green With the Outside of the rack penciled onto the pieces?
- Rebco Pocket Billiard Table 4-1/2 x 9
- Drop Pockets - No Ball Return
- Simonis 760 Tournament Cloth Green
- 5-inch Corner Pockets
- 5-1/2 inch Side Pockets
- Sardo Rack
- Super Aramith Pro Belgian Billiard Balls
- Predator P3 Red Butt
- Predator Revo 12.4mm Carbon Composite Shaft
- 19.5 oz and 58 inches
- Techno Dud Tip by Outsville
- Taom Pyro Blue Chalk
- Predator Second Skin Billiard Glove
- Predator Urbain 3x5 Hard Case Red
I rest my case.
Nothing, used, abided by any existing 14.1 Continuous Billiards Pocket Pool rules. No tracing of the rack onto the surface of the cloth on any of 1100 attempts.
just saying
I think the 14.1 tables at Derby City were always marked lightly with tailor's chalk. I know they were at least the first five years.I dont recall a triangle outline used at most events I’ve ever been to. The Derby City 14.1 Challenge… they often used tournament tables, so no triangle outline.
I dont recall a triangle outline used at most events I’ve ever been to. The Derby City 14.1 Challenge… they often used tournament tables, so no triangle outline.
The perma-rack template gives the shooter a pretty nice look at where the balls will be at when the balls are reracked.I was watching Hohmann's 152 and out from 2007 earlier today, and it didn't look like there was an outline.
Also saw a Mosconi/Caras match with no outline but the video was pretty poor.
I also saw SVB's personal high record of 308 from yesterday, and there was no outline.
My experience from the 1960s is that one of the final steps that the cloth installers always did was to mark the headstring, the longstring from a few inches above the foot spot to the foot rail and the outline of the triangle. The careful ones would also mark a cross at the head spot and the center spot.I was watching Hohmann's 152 and out from 2007 earlier today, and it didn't look like there was an outline.
Also saw a Mosconi/Caras match with no outline but the video was pretty poor.
I also saw SVB's personal high record of 308 from yesterday, and there was no outline.