T.O.I by randyg
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Thanks Randy.
I have been spinning in balls and playing position on shots for over 50 years.
I only have a couple of hundred hours in TOI. The most difficult challenge for me has been getting position on the next shot without using spin and just using speed control and TOI for position play. Its a whole new way of playing the game for me.
I would imagine, over time, I will feel more comfortable using TOI. I practice it everyday. Its a slow learning process for me.
I hope that you will see the value of using TOI as I have.
You have to hit the cue ball a lot harder than you would think. A sliding cue ball is the secret.....maybe not a secret anymore. :wink:
Can hardly wait for your comments.
Once again, thanks
John
I have been spinning in balls and playing position on shots for over 50 years.
I only have a couple of hundred hours in TOI. The most difficult challenge for me has been getting position on the next shot without using spin and just using speed control and TOI for position play. Its a whole new way of playing the game for me.
I would imagine, over time, I will feel more comfortable using TOI. I practice it everyday. Its a slow learning process for me.
I hope that you will see the value of using TOI as I have.
You have to hit the cue ball a lot harder than you would think. A sliding cue ball is the secret.....maybe not a secret anymore. :wink:
Can hardly wait for your comments.
Once again, thanks
John
can you tell me (as a cynic i admit :embarrassed2
if you can get the right angle consistently you are just stunning the ball for shape( THATS WHY IT "FLOATS" ) jmho
if you get out of line or "funny " on a shot
are you still going to use TOI???
Yup, thats exactly whats happening, stunning the ball for position. Since I am in the early stages of TOI, I'm going to spin the cue ball to get back in line. Shots that I can use TOI, for me, stick out like a sore thumb and I use it.
CJ has openly admitted that it took him thousands of hours to master TOI. I can see why.........its a different game altogether.
Some folks will have no issues using and adopting to TOI, while others may struggle.
It is a cool way of playing though. I like it, dont have to worry about the cue ball taking off like a rocket after it hits a rail. It just floats. Weird.
John
As far as using it effectively takes about 3 weeks.
It took me thousands of hours to be able to communicate and teach TOI. As far as using it effectively takes about 3 weeks. If you're putting that much time and not "getting it," send me some examples of shots or situations and I can help you "sort it out" right away. It's easy, however, like you say, it's a different way of thinking about the game.
It's not something you use on certain shots, it's a whole system of playing. If you try to combine your old way with the TOI System it's going to cause negative results. It would be like using a Western and Eastern grip in tennis, you can't switch back and forth as easily as picking one and sticking to it because they require two different styles of games.
Yup, thats exactly whats happening, stunning the ball for position. Since I am in the early stages of TOI, I'm going to spin the cue ball to get back in line. Shots that I can use TOI, for me, stick out like a sore thumb and I use it.
CJ has openly admitted that it took him thousands of hours to master TOI. I can see why.........its a different game altogether.
Some folks will have no issues using and adopting to TOI, while others may struggle.
It is a cool way of playing though. I like it, dont have to worry about the cue ball taking off like a rocket after it hits a rail. It just floats. Weird.
John
It took me thousands of hours to be able to communicate and teach TOI. As far as using it effectively takes about 3 weeks. If you're putting that much time and not "getting it," send me some examples of shots or situations and I can help you "sort it out" right away. It's easy, however, like you say, it's a different way of thinking about the game.
It's not something you use on certain shots, it's a whole system of playing. If you try to combine your old way with the TOI System it's going to cause negative results. It would be like using a Western and Eastern grip in tennis, you can't switch back and forth as easily as picking one and sticking to it because they require two different styles of games.
I watched the pay per view on Friday night for the first time, and tried it on Saturday. Works very well with my Z2.
If you've ever struggled with those thin rail cuts, then learning TOI for that alone is worth the price.
It's not "just" about deflection, when done correctly,
It's not "just" about deflection, when done correctly, the Inside perspective will create more of an angle as well. Try it, just set up a straight in shot to the rail (no pocket for this test), then get down to the Inside/Right and hit the cue ball, it will cut the ball to the right (the amount will be in direct relationship to how far inside you align).
This will give you an example of the "TOI Perspective".
Play Well,
CJ Wiley
It's not "just" about deflection, when done correctly, the Inside perspective will create more of an angle as well. Try it, just set up a straight in shot to the rail (no pocket for this test), then get down to the Inside/Right and hit the cue ball, it will cut the ball to the right (the amount will be in direct relationship to how far inside you align).
This will give you an example of the "TOI Perspective".
Play Well,
CJ Wiley
Well its 6:30 pm here in STL and RandyG hasn't posted his experience with TOI. Maybe he is still at the pool hall. :smile:
John
John
could be ecstatic with the results and can't get off the table or perhaps he's yet to make a ball
Well it's 6:30 somewhere.....
I put one solid hour (maybe too much time) into T.O.I this afternoon.
All by myself, a cup of coffee and an Open Mind.
RESULT: Either I didn't get the proper info or the info I received is wrong.
I just could not get T.O.I to work correctly.
It so happens that I'm having Lunch with CJ tomorrow. I will ask CJ to watch over my efforts.
Report back later.
Sorry
randyg
As many years as he has been playing and instructing, TOI may be a little hard for him to get his head around.
It was for me. TOI is an entirely different way of playing the game.
I'll bet CJ will be receiving a phone call or a visit from Randy. :smile:
Either way, at least Randy is open minded and willing to give it a go. My hat is off to him.
John
It was for me. TOI is an entirely different way of playing the game.
I'll bet CJ will be receiving a phone call or a visit from Randy. :smile:
Either way, at least Randy is open minded and willing to give it a go. My hat is off to him.
John
Cool I just read your post #12. CJ's buying of course.
I know man, TOI is real different
John
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does one look at the QB or OB last with CJ'S method?
ask him for me Randy
Randy,
If you think about it ask C.J. to show or explain that every shot is like
a straight in. This part I don't get. I understand that he says you are aiming
the tip at the center of the ob after you have created the angle, but
if I have the angle is wrong the tip is still amied at the center of the ob.
I hate to keep asking him questions, he has been so good to answer
everything, I wish he would come out with something new to sell so I
could buy it and not feel like a sponge. Oh buy the way you've got
the 7 playing balderdash. Pam says hello to you and Karen
jack
Randy,
If you think about it ask C.J. to show or explain that every shot is like
a straight in. This part I don't get. I understand that he says you are aiming
the tip at the center of the ob after you have created the angle, but
if I have the angle is wrong the tip is still amied at the center of the ob.
I hate to keep asking him questions, he has been so good to answer
everything, I wish he would come out with something new to sell so I
could buy it and not feel like a sponge. Oh buy the way you've got
the 7 playing balderdash. Pam says hello to you and Karen
jack
Jack, you're trying to make TOI an aiming system, and it's not,
Hey there, Jack...yes "aiming" is not the word I use when it comes to the object ball. I "aim" at the cue ball, it's the target. You want to align your body so the cue ball and object ball are straight in....don't agonize over this, it's just to give you the same connection between the two balls every time.....a reference point that is consistent.
From that point you can create the angles with your relationship to the inside of the cue ball. I don't pay much attention to the object ball as I'm getting down and just glance once or twice at it...it's the CUE BALL that I'm most interested in, then once I lock into the cue ball's target point
THEN, and only then do I go into my total feeling/touch mode and feel the hit of the cue ball off of the object ball....seeing/aiming is not needed once you're down on the shot....this is done before, while ABOVE the shot. ...Play Well,
Jack, you're trying to make TOI an aiming system, and it's not, (people are saying that and they have no clue, they just want my teachings to "go away")...... it's about speed/creating angles/and cue ball target....the object ball is just a reflection of how you hit the cue ball and reacts towards the pocket.
Hey there, Jack...yes "aiming" is not the word I use when it comes to the object ball. I "aim" at the cue ball, it's the target. You want to align your body so the cue ball and object ball are straight in....don't agonize over this, it's just to give you the same connection between the two balls every time.....a reference point that is consistent.
From that point you can create the angles with your relationship to the inside of the cue ball. I don't pay much attention to the object ball as I'm getting down and just glance once or twice at it...it's the CUE BALL that I'm most interested in, then once I lock into the cue ball's target point
THEN, and only then do I go into my total feeling/touch mode and feel the hit of the cue ball off of the object ball....seeing/aiming is not needed once you're down on the shot....this is done before, while ABOVE the shot. ...Play Well,
Jack, you're trying to make TOI an aiming system, and it's not, (people are saying that and they have no clue, they just want my teachings to "go away")...... it's about speed/creating angles/and cue ball target....the object ball is just a reflection of how you hit the cue ball and reacts towards the pocket.
is it correct that the last image you see or focus on is that of the cue tip impact point on the QB prior to pulling the trigger and then you, in essence, shoot through the QB to the impact point on the OB which has been pre-determined during the alignment process?
Is this right mr Wiley? because what I undertand is that you shift in parallel line from center cue ball to the inside, and doing this (for me) never takes me to object ball center or edge. thanks in advance
BTW Sorry for my english