CJ if your going to Atlanta maybe you can stop in Birmingham to help me with TOI you've been to my pool room Bumpers. Also how much for the lesson? Thanks David
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CJ if your going to Atlanta maybe you can stop in Birmingham to help me with TOI you've been to my pool room Bumpers. Also how much for the lesson? Thanks David
Email me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
Yes, I remember your place, very nice indeed. I believe I played some straight rail caroms for "the cash" with some Filipino players. That's where I tried to play some 9 Ball with a guy and he took me to the side and said "listen, not offense, but I was there when you played Shane VanB. even at DCC"....oh, well, that's why I don't go looking for "action" anymore. :thumbup:
I'll be glad to work with you on some lessons, I can do private, or groups up to 100 at a time, it's difficult to get more than that on one table.
Just kidding.
Email me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com and I'll discuss some options and lesson packages I offer.
Play Well, David, thanks and I'll ttys......CJ
Yes, I remember your place, very nice indeed. I believe I played some straight rail caroms for "the cash" with some Filipino players. That's where I tried to play some 9 Ball with a guy and he took me to the side and said "listen, not offense, but I was there when you played Shane VanB. even at DCC"....oh, well, that's why I don't go looking for "action" anymore. :thumbup:
I'll be glad to work with you on some lessons, I can do private, or groups up to 100 at a time, it's difficult to get more than that on one table.
Just kidding.Email me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com and I'll discuss some options and lesson packages I offer.
Play Well, David, thanks and I'll ttys......CJ
I have been using TOI for a few weeks now and it is going rather well. But today I pulled out my Predator shaft and employed it for the first time with TOI. It was like learning everything all over again. I no longer trusted the "feel" for the shot that I have developed, ended up overcutting almost every shot. Went back to my original shaft and all is well again. Just having some trouble when the QB is close to the OB. I think that I am getting more throw than stun when the balls are close. Started lining up CTE on the close shots and am getting better results???
That's exactly what CJ said to do in one of his 'run' videos. That is, if you are using only the CTE or CTC options.
I'm confused regarding you over cutting everything with a shaft that squirts less.
I would think the opposite would be true or did you wind up over compensating?
Str8 Shooter
Banned
Well if you were doing everything correctly firstly, that switch to a predator should have made you undercut the shot I believe. I am thinking with a LD shaft your starting position should be further away (outside) from the center than with a regular shaft. With a regular shaft you may be able to play closer to center cue ball then with a Ld shaft because the shift is parallel. This sounds correct at the moment the way I am thinking? I could be wrong though.
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I think there is a slight discourse when the term "CTE" is discussed by different people. When CJ says "CTE", he is referring literally to the center-to-edge line (center cue ball to edge of object ball.) When Stan refers to "CTE" he is talking about a complete aiming system, not just the literal line. Stan refers to that line as "CTEL", which is part of the overall CTE PRO ONE system (just as the CTEL is part of the TOI makeup as CJ puts it.) No where in the CTE PRO ONE system is the CTEL used by itself for alignment or eye position. It is used in combination with a secondary aim line to find the pre-pivot eye position for the given shot.
I don't know if I cleared anything up, but maybe it helps.
Am interested in this. I hope Randy provides more details than are usual in his posts... Although I could integrate some of the brevity into mine for sure...
I'm working on some fundamental and stroke things right now, so can't really afford to play with yet more systems or techniques, but I am very intrigued by the TOI stuff. I have watched the video and played with it for an hour or two, some shots are great but others seems difficult to judge the inside on or don't avail position to the next shot.
Will continue to read through the forums and listen to CJ, Randy, and others playing with it and when I get a chance give it the time it needs and report back as well.
Scott
Although I could integrate some of the brevity into mine for sure...I'm working on some fundamental and stroke things right now, so can't really afford to play with yet more systems or techniques, but I am very intrigued by the TOI stuff. I have watched the video and played with it for an hour or two, some shots are great but others seems difficult to judge the inside on or don't avail position to the next shot.
Will continue to read through the forums and listen to CJ, Randy, and others playing with it and when I get a chance give it the time it needs and report back as well.
Scott
Str8 Shooter
Banned
I don't know about that, you may want to rethink that
choose your words wisely if you respond
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I don't know about that, you may want to rethink that
Up to this point you have made 17 posts.
Are you making a threat or are you simply warning that you have a good argument that TOI is only an 'aiming system'?
Str8 Shooter
Banned
good argument that TOI is "also" an aiming system :thumbup: I never said it is only an aiming system
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Has He Risen?
chris banks?
good argument that toi is "also" an aiming system :thumbup: I never said it is only an aiming system
chris banks?
Str8 Shooter
Banned
"Cutting off the nose to spite the face" <<< this happens often on AZ
I also totally understand everything cj is saying on the video. I only questioned the parallel shift because when he is down on the shot line in the video, his shaft doesn't look parallel to me. I will write that off as he has the system mastered and total control over the system and it is best not to hear exactly how he shoots the system in the early learning stages. Its best to let myself develop that mastery on my own and thats if I chose to take it that far.most on here don't like to let things develop in time or properly and they fail and blame all the wrong things.
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Hey Randy, let me know the next time you swing by Des Moines or Knoxville. I would like to hear your thoughts on this as hands on experience is 10 times better than just watching a video by itself in my opinion. For me it's harder to pick up everything and put it on the table with just watching a video.
Matt
Hi Matt
Me also. I am "HANDS ON" for sure.
I will be in Des Moines in August. I will plan a stop with you.
If you are at the BCAPL, then you can catch me in the P.B.I.A. Instructors booth.
randyg
Remember, I'm not "aiming" center to center, this is the points that I'm ALIGNING to
Yes, as other players have said you should be undercutting the shots with the Predator, not over cutting them. Something's out of whack, and I could only guess what that may be.
The closer the balls are together the more I lean towards using Center to Edge on the shots (even on slight cuts), the further away I use Center to Center on the shots (even on extremely thin cuts).
Remember, I'm not "aiming" center to center, this is the points that I'm ALIGNING to, so I have a consistent relationship between the cue ball and object ball. There's advanced kicking systems that you do the same thing.....you align to hit the ball square, then use the cue ball (as the target) to alter where you hit the "kick shot".
Yes, as other players have said you should be undercutting the shots with the Predator, not over cutting them. Something's out of whack, and I could only guess what that may be.
The closer the balls are together the more I lean towards using Center to Edge on the shots (even on slight cuts), the further away I use Center to Center on the shots (even on extremely thin cuts).
Remember, I'm not "aiming" center to center, this is the points that I'm ALIGNING to, so I have a consistent relationship between the cue ball and object ball. There's advanced kicking systems that you do the same thing.....you align to hit the ball square, then use the cue ball (as the target) to alter where you hit the "kick shot".
just look for how to use this TOI shot on your upcoming situation.
TOI simply has a "built in" aiming system that's one section of three total.
To use the "Touch" of Inside properly you blend the three calculations (sometimes 4 if you include the cue angle) you have to make on each shot into one system. This includes the following:
Shot Speed - the speed you must hit the upcoming shot
Shot Angle - the angle you must create to make the upcoming shot
Tip Target - the spot on the cue ball you must hit to create the upcoming shot
With the TOI, I know I'm going to hit the following:
Shot Speed - always try to hit the TOI shot a medium speed
Shot Angle and Tip Target will coordinate to the Inside of the cue ball, and the alignment will either be to the center or edge of the object ball every time. This makes the SPEED...SHOT ANGLE...TIP TARGET...all become connected and related to each shot. Then you just look for how to use this TOI shot on your upcoming situation.....and there's always a way. 'The Game is the Teacher'
good argument that TOI is "also" an aiming system :thumbup: I never said it is only an aiming system
TOI simply has a "built in" aiming system that's one section of three total.
To use the "Touch" of Inside properly you blend the three calculations (sometimes 4 if you include the cue angle) you have to make on each shot into one system. This includes the following:
Shot Speed - the speed you must hit the upcoming shot
Shot Angle - the angle you must create to make the upcoming shot
Tip Target - the spot on the cue ball you must hit to create the upcoming shot
With the TOI, I know I'm going to hit the following:
Shot Speed - always try to hit the TOI shot a medium speed
Shot Angle and Tip Target will coordinate to the Inside of the cue ball, and the alignment will either be to the center or edge of the object ball every time. This makes the SPEED...SHOT ANGLE...TIP TARGET...all become connected and related to each shot. Then you just look for how to use this TOI shot on your upcoming situation.....and there's always a way. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Str8 Shooter
Banned
I agree it has a built in aiming system. Its pretty clear to me? If people want to get technical you can also say pro1 is not an aiming system because you are not using a contact also.
Hey Randy,
How did practice go yesterday with TOI?
Any advise you would want to share?
Thanks :smile:
John
How did practice go yesterday with TOI?
Any advise you would want to share?
Thanks :smile:
John