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I personally think the TOR free video with the sliding cue ball is the better technique. You will get pretty much the same cue ball tangent lines off the hits on object ball as the TOI technique. All you have to do is add the stroke to your arsenal and not the inside, deflecting, etc stuff...my opinion.
I agree. I have not found a shot for which it can not work well & as you say the long fuller shots are really good. The problem I'm having is with position on cut shots. It's long, it's short, it's long again. I think it's because I'm hitting a bit too hard to guarantee that I get the squirt to make sure that I pocket the ball. How has position worked out for you with it?
Is it just me that doesn't have a clue what a touch of inside is?
I've not put the effort into finding out much about it to be fair. From what I've read I've seen lots of 'this' and "that", the over use of bold and italic text and philosophical sentences that divert rather abruptly from an easy to understand explanation.
CJ says about creating angles rather than using the angle you're given. Straight over my head. I can't see that moving my game up a step in all honesty. It just isn't for me I think. You need to hit firm - I hit the majority of my shots soft, low and with gearing outside english so the method is almost the direct opposite of what I've used for years and a change now would throw me back a step or two, atleast initially.
It clearly works extremely well for some players. Who can argue with a player of CJs talent? And I take my hat off to him - a legend of the game who takes time to pass on his knowledge to anyone willing to learn. Fair play.
I'm hoping this thread doesn't turn into a trainwreck like past threads as, even though I have no intention of using the TOI method, I am intrigued by it.
I've not put the effort into finding out much about it to be fair. From what I've read I've seen lots of 'this' and "that", the over use of bold and italic text and philosophical sentences that divert rather abruptly from an easy to understand explanation.
CJ says about creating angles rather than using the angle you're given. Straight over my head. I can't see that moving my game up a step in all honesty. It just isn't for me I think. You need to hit firm - I hit the majority of my shots soft, low and with gearing outside english so the method is almost the direct opposite of what I've used for years and a change now would throw me back a step or two, atleast initially.
It clearly works extremely well for some players. Who can argue with a player of CJs talent? And I take my hat off to him - a legend of the game who takes time to pass on his knowledge to anyone willing to learn. Fair play.
I'm hoping this thread doesn't turn into a trainwreck like past threads as, even though I have no intention of using the TOI method, I am intrigued by it.
RG,
There Tor is merely describing what I consider to be the very basic way of playing. Keep in mind that the Cue Ball with pick up a bit of outside running spin upon the cut collision & will come off the rail with it. TOI can kill that. Plus TOI aimed at the full hit side of the pocket gives you a larger 'landing area' & will tell why you missed when you mis. Normal aiming gives you a 1/2 pocket on each side. Any more & you mis. Did you mis due to aim or did you mis center CB & mis? Or both.
I'm just saying that it has it's advantages just as english as it's advantages over the basic play.
Best Regards,
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I have been paying a lot more attention to the "3 point" pocket of aiming and am quite satisfied with the results......just never thought about it until CJ brought it up.
The TOI is an interesting technique and I use it on some shots. I have been working on using a very small amount of spin and only using 1/2 tip. Seems to work fairly well with the right speed.
Happy New Year guys and gals
John
The TOI is an interesting technique and I use it on some shots. I have been working on using a very small amount of spin and only using 1/2 tip. Seems to work fairly well with the right speed.
Happy New Year guys and gals
John
I have been using the sliding technique for a long time, but situational. I have used Cj’s TOI successfully while experimenting. They have very very similar tangent lines. I have seen Cj post that he likes to know why he missed, I think most above average players always know why they missed? Now do you think a person who can’t split the pocket normally will all of the sudden become a great shot maker using the TOI technique? I think they will go from normal to worse lol
The 3 zone pocket is good to know and helpful for any system.
RG,
I think I get what your saying. Here's my take. If that someone can not split the pocket I would be willing to bet that they are missing both ways for some reason(s), otherwise their subconscious would take over & adapt for that one sided mis. Now if we start that same person out with TOI they basically have one spot to aim, just inside the full hit point of the pocket & with the TOI squirting the ball to the outside & adding a bit of cut, the ball goes in. That just seems more precise & easier to tell where one misses unless they go over the cliff and continue to mis on both sides of the pocket & I'm not syaing that that could not happen but it just seems less likely to me. CJ's analogy to fading a golf ball makes sense to me, but I use to play & teach a bit of golf.
Regards,
DTL,
Certainly it works in reverse but not for one of the intended purposes of keeping the Cue Ball killed & floating. I have been shooting with both out & inside english & cheating the pocket for many, many years with no thought to squirt. My focus has been on swerve.
You 'sound' so excited. If I were you I'd shut down the computer & go enjoy yourself on the table.
Best Regards,
SO glad to year that you are finding a technique that works for you. I'm just chiming in to say that I don't use the BG method because I FOR ONE (and not necessarily anyone else) find it impossible to FREEZE AN IMAGE of the GB in place all the way from determining a line of aim prior to getting down on the shot...getting down on the shot...and maintaining a SPECIFIC eye pattern during practice strokes (which I find to be crucial).
So, there are just TOO many times that my eyes MUST divert their gaze to other things than the GB and I just don't seem to be able to replace that image EXACTLY when down on the shot.
I'm just posting these comments for others who may also have trouble with the GB method. Not criticizing the GB method AT ALL. Just saying it isn't for me.
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EagleMan
One more thought. You mentioned that you use ghost-ball (GB) aiming, but you didn't say where you place your GB. Remember, CJ's TOI technique is coupled with his 3-part pocket system. The initial aim is to the full or undercut side of the pocket opening, and the TOI squirts the cue ball into the thinner hit needed to pocket the object ball in the center of the pocket (if all goes as planned).
So, for consistency with CJ's technique, your GB should be aligned for the undercut side of the pocket. If you are aligning the GB/OB for center pocket and then using as much as 1/2 tip of inside english, I'd think you'd be overcutting a lot of shots.
But perhaps you are taking that into account and just didn't mention it.
The 3 part pocket system doesnt have anything to do with what kind of cue shaft you are using. But does come in handy on some shots.
Using TOI to pocket a ball will introduce collision indused throw on the object ball. Thats why its best to line up the object ball to the right side of the pocket. (if cutting a ball to the right). The throw will send the object ball into the center or left side of the pocket.
Happy New Year All
John
Using TOI to pocket a ball will introduce collision indused throw on the object ball. Thats why its best to line up the object ball to the right side of the pocket. (if cutting a ball to the right). The throw will send the object ball into the center or left side of the pocket.
Happy New Year All
John