Not like Yang was in prime form when they did match up. Dennis cried daddy TWICE, on home turf, with slow cloth and terrible conditions (the Pinoy advantage).
Taiwanese are best rotation players on the planet
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Not like Yang was in prime form when they did match up. Dennis cried daddy TWICE, on home turf, with slow cloth and terrible conditions (the Pinoy advantage).
Taiwan vs Pinoy
No proof.
Yang didn't 'massacre' Orcollo... a lot closer than that... and that's ONE match.
And why did Yang 'rebuff ' Orcollo's challenge, by upping the bet? That's a
Bucktooth move.
Never saw a quote of Efren saying anything like that.
Weight? Don't think so... how about a neutral turf table, Ko vs. Ignacio?
Long race, high money? My bet's with Pinoy.
Cash on the pinoys ?! Pinoys choke on the cash all the time against the taiwanese , they look good gambling among em'self.
Yang massacred Dennis Orcollo in the color of money 2 , and rebuff Orcollo's attempt to imvite him to phil for 5k which yang simply asked for a mimimum bet of 50k.
Efren once admitted in the interview the best gamblers are the Taiwanese and no one can beat em.
Alot of philipines players are prob gonna need weight from Ko pin yi n his little boy ko pin chung lol
Peace guys
No proof.
Yang didn't 'massacre' Orcollo... a lot closer than that... and that's ONE match.
And why did Yang 'rebuff ' Orcollo's challenge, by upping the bet? That's a
Bucktooth move.
Never saw a quote of Efren saying anything like that.
Weight? Don't think so... how about a neutral turf table, Ko vs. Ignacio?
Long race, high money? My bet's with Pinoy.
Ko would beat Ignacio.
I did try to find the quote but have been unsuccessful in doing so.
Maybe....
Fair enough... we'll agree to disagree... Ko is a top player, no doubt.
The OP was about the Taiwanese being the best "rotation" players, which a lot of people take to mean anything played in rotation, 9 ball and 10 ball. "Rotation" to me is a a full 15 ball rack... again, very different from a break and run game like 9 and 10 ball... you have to dissect a rack, bump balls, caroms, billiards, combos. In this the Pinoys are
exceptional.
Ko likes Efren... how about they match up in a full rotation game? Efren, hands down.
Fair enough... we'll agree to disagree... Ko is a top player, no doubt.
The OP was about the Taiwanese being the best "rotation" players, which a lot of people take to mean anything played in rotation, 9 ball and 10 ball. "Rotation" to me is a a full 15 ball rack... again, very different from a break and run game like 9 and 10 ball... you have to dissect a rack, bump balls, caroms, billiards, combos. In this the Pinoys are
exceptional.
Ko likes Efren... how about they match up in a full rotation game? Efren, hands down.
They played twice, and Dennis lost twice. 60-42 9ball, can't recall the 10ball score...but Dennis had home court advantage both times.
In heads up play, I'm not sure what more "proof" you require.
Real rotation
My 'proof" comment was about the statement claiming that "The Pinoys choke on the cash against the taiwanese all the time" .... whatever.
And 60-42 is not a "Massacre"... decisive, yes. A massacre is Earl running 9 racks and out on Varner at Reno... 9-0.
Nobody's addressed the question of FULL rack rotation... do the Taiwanese play full rack rotation, or is it 9 and 10 ball? No disrespect, but IT IS a different game.
Again, Ko vs Efren, full rack rotation, Efren hands down.
My 'proof" comment was about the statement claiming that "The Pinoys choke on the cash against the taiwanese all the time" .... whatever.
And 60-42 is not a "Massacre"... decisive, yes. A massacre is Earl running 9 racks and out on Varner at Reno... 9-0.
Nobody's addressed the question of FULL rack rotation... do the Taiwanese play full rack rotation, or is it 9 and 10 ball? No disrespect, but IT IS a different game.
Again, Ko vs Efren, full rack rotation, Efren hands down.
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I like Yang, Orcullo, Taiwanese and Pinoys
Taiwanese have won some and Philppines have won some.
IMHO, Pinoys have deeper talent pool and I foresee they will be above Taiwanese in another few years, as Philippines just keep churning and producing so many bew talents that it is scary
Having said that , your comments are not exactly impartial
1) 60-42 is 18 racks majority is 30%. Because their speed are so close, a big margin win of like 60-10 is impossible. Also Orcullo was favored over Yang before match, some could say that is a "massacre" though I would say Orcullo was beaten good.
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2) you cannot keep changing goal post. Yang first beat Orcullo in 9b 60-42. Then they ask him to play another long race 10b as it was probably felt that 9b involved luck . Yang also won that but by smaller margin
Now you are asking them to play full rotation. After that play snooker ? After that play soccer , basketball, MMA?
That is like the bully gambler who will not let the winner go until he loses
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Efren would win of cos. But what does that prove? It is said you have to drag legend like Efren in to this. Efren is a legend and Ko is a still a kid so different era players , different games )
I doubt many pro players know full rack rotation. Even Shane and Justin were confused when Efren explained full rotation in this TAR session
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbobEBBWofE
Many funny moments in that TAR session. One part when Efren was asked what he looked at before he shoots. Efren chuckled of cos OB and cannot look at CB cos then cannot see OB :thumbup:
My friend and I were playing in MCS in Makati City, and Efren was there talking to some folks. He was explaining looking at the OB or CB when shooting. He said, when trying to hit something with a rock, you dont really look at the rock - you look at what you are trying to hit. (it sounded more convincing in Tagalog when Efren said it, but that was the idea.)
I was just being polite and last time i checked, i have every right to use whatever pleases me.
Efren's my favourite player btw !.
Here's my rationale n analysis
, My preferred style of play btw is the free-flowing style of pinoys with the use of rails n english to play position.
Pros : exciting , fancy cue ball action n fun to watch as pool is all about angles
Cons: It results in too many unforce errors as table to tables play different under different humdity n temperature ( BAD FOR MONEY GAMES !! )
Taiwanese style :
Textbook fundemental, Focus primarily on using the center axis of cueball, minimize little english as possible, always getting on the right side and avoid the rails whenever possible by using stun stop follow.
Pros : minimize unecessary mistake with little cueball movement
Cons : can be boring
However, over the years i notice both type of players catching on to the pros of each style with filipinos playing more conservatively ( biado, orcollo used to play more free flowing ) and taiwanese using more english when needed like the pinoys. ( ko pin yi and ko pim chung with a fancier approach compared to yang or chao )
And yes to answer your question, 60-42 appears to be a massacre especially when Dennis was rumored to be the money ball king then, and Yang won him by 18 RACKS !!
Also , think about it , the youngest 9 ball and 10 ball champs in the world are taiwanese, wu chia chin n ko pin yi and that says alot for the small amt populatiom compared to the vast pool playing population of philipines.
I wld say that Taiwanese are proven winners in their playing approach altho Pinoys seems to be more talented and exciting to watch.
Also , most world junior champ seems to come from Taiwan with a prodigy wu yu lun snapping up 3 , beating then world 9 ball champ wu chia ching, ko pin yi, ko pin chung !
Just my 2 cents
Full rotation ?
Ko will smash efren with his shotmaking !! Bear in mind, efren's no longer the player he was due to age and poor eyesight.
30 yrs ago ! Ko will need some SERIOUS WEIGHT from Efren.
One pocket ?
Efren will smash ko probably as ko prob doesn play 1 pocket also Efren's the most intelligent player that ever pick up a cue.
Cheers
"Rotation"
My main point was to the OP about the claim that "Taiwanese are best rotation players on the planet"... pretty bold statement. That's why I brought up full rack rotation... which
IS rotation. Semantics, I guess. 9 and 10 ball are games played IN rotation.
Yes, people play rotation... it's a tough, mover's game.
Cheers
My main point was to the OP about the claim that "Taiwanese are best rotation players on the planet"... pretty bold statement. That's why I brought up full rack rotation... which
IS rotation. Semantics, I guess. 9 and 10 ball are games played IN rotation.
Yes, people play rotation... it's a tough, mover's game.
Cheers
Your main point is rather irrelevant, since "Rotation" is a provincial game played in one country, whereas "rotation games" like 9b and 10b are the international standard being addressed by the OP (you know, as opposed to "non-rotation" games like straight pool or 8b...)
Hey, let's count American Rotation now.
best ever line!!!!
why shouldn't full-rack rotation be included? is it because it potentially contradicts the title of this thread? cant the Taiwanese run out 15 balls in order?
61-Rotation (as some would call it in the PHI) is technically a rotation game. it actually involves more technique aside from CB control and pocketing involved in 9-ball or 10-ball.
61-Rotation (as some would call it in the PHI) is technically a rotation game. it actually involves more technique aside from CB control and pocketing involved in 9-ball or 10-ball.
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THIS^^
Buddha, it ain't irrelevant... rotation is a 'provincial' game? Really? I get that we're in a world of 9 and 10 ball, and young guns don't want to hear about slow games like One Pocket and 15 ball rotation... dude, TRY IT... try running 15 balls in rotation. Try it.
Keep an open mind!... play 15 ball Rotation ghost.. then tell me it's some old man's game.
Cezar, you say Ko will smash Efren with his shotmaking, Efren's no longer the player he was, then state that Ko would need serious weight? Really?
Just sayin'...
I'm sure it is a challenging game, but the point is that almost nobody plays it outside of the Philippines. As was mentioned earlier, SVB didn't really even understand the rules. Give him some time and I bet SVB would be great at the game
Read carefully.
30 yrs ago, Efren was the best player in the universe and was playing at a speed n knowledge of the game that is beyond alot of pros, plus top of his game.
Ko Pin Yi NOW , still young will prob need weight from the Greatest player 30 yrs ago.. fast forward 30 yrs now..
Ko will smash efren in 9 or 10 ball anytime of the day, anyday of the week.
Just think about it, Efren's clearly at a disadvantage now,
Old man break, weak eyesight accompanied by a old tired body ?!
Yes, he still steals game with his knowledge but he gives alot game away due to his failing eyesight.
Efren once said in an interview, Ko is now the best 9ball player in the world, strong break and run out ability.
Even Shane once joked on Tar that it will be tough to win efren in 1pocket where Shane's break advantage is greatly diminished but he will OWNED efren in 9 ball.
Just my 2 cents