Taiwanese are best rotation players on the planet
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The US Open would be the only major that one country goes to, but the other does not. All the other events have heavy participation from both countries.
That kind of proves my point that it is not so clear who the top 3 Taiwan players might really be. Wu might now play for China, but that is politics, he is a Taiwanese pool player. I am not so quick to pit him out of the top 3 now that he is playing good again.
Even with heavy participation the exact numbers matter--a lot. If you totaled up every Filipino entrant into the six events you listed over the last ten years and it added up to 500 and the Taiwanese number of entrants added up to 400 then that would be complete domination by the Taiwanese even if they had the same number of wins and even though they both had relatively heavy participation (because percentage wise one had many more entrants than the other). This was just an example and of course the reverse would be true.
There is simply no way to tell which country is better at winning majors unless you also know the total number of participants from each country over the ten years in those events. That said, unless Taiwan is sending more players to all the other events then I would guess that have had far fewer participants overall since they haven't been going to the US Open. So even if Taiwan's number of wins had been only been equal, it clearly shows dominance since they did it playing less events with less total entrants. But the wins aren't even equal. Taiwan has more wins playing less events with less entrants. Based on this I think everyone would have to concede that Taiwan is clearly the best in the world at winning majors.
Success
I would say Philippines has more players participating in WC (wither W8B, W9B or W10B) and majors (US Open, All Japan, China Open) than Taiwan. As someone point out, Taiwan usually play all WC and majors except US Open
Philippines just have biggest talent pool and longer pipeline. If some rich Filipino like Manny Pacquiao can open the floodgates by putting aside some fund to sponsor players to play overseas, they can send easily send half a field of 128.
But using that success rate benchmark, winners as % of participants, I would say Japan may have best success rate. Just taking W9B as example, Japan sends couple of players every year and have won 3 W9B in past 2 decades already. That is 3 out of about 40 so 7.5% success rate :smile:
I would say Philippines has more players participating in WC (wither W8B, W9B or W10B) and majors (US Open, All Japan, China Open) than Taiwan. As someone point out, Taiwan usually play all WC and majors except US Open
Philippines just have biggest talent pool and longer pipeline. If some rich Filipino like Manny Pacquiao can open the floodgates by putting aside some fund to sponsor players to play overseas, they can send easily send half a field of 128.
But using that success rate benchmark, winners as % of participants, I would say Japan may have best success rate. Just taking W9B as example, Japan sends couple of players every year and have won 3 W9B in past 2 decades already. That is 3 out of about 40 so 7.5% success rate :smile:
It's funny that in a Taiwan vs. Philippines thread, nobody mentions the Cold Faced Killer: Chao. Guy's won 2 WPCs, shared domination in Asia during Efren's reign, yet remains one of the most uninspiring pool players who's ever held a cue. He seems to fall into the category of 1% talent, 99% work.
His protege Yang, on the other hand...sheer raw talent. Terrible loss to pool when he decided to pick up the fishing rod.
His protege Yang, on the other hand...sheer raw talent. Terrible loss to pool when he decided to pick up the fishing rod.
Ehh?
http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_an...-wpa-world-10-ball-championship-2015/results/
http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_an...4-guinness-world-series-of-pool-2011/results/
http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_an...open-championship-2011-mens-division/results/
http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_an...784-all-japan-open-championship-2013/results/
http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_an...vitational-10-ball-championship-2014/results/
Just how many events with world class fields does he have to win before you think he has "made the cut"?
Regardless of how he does at the US Open or World 9-ball, the guy has clearly already proven he is a world class champion level player.
Taiwan will crush china in men's pool. In women's pool it's closer.
Taiwan vs Philippines would be pretty cool and close but I give Philippines a decent edge
Taiwan vs Philippines would be pretty cool and close but I give Philippines a decent edge
U think Ignacio is an unknown? You dont know much then.
Chao is not the most interesting player to watch, but I would argue that next to Efren, he has had the most impact on the game in recent memory. He is the first to have perfected the jump shot in much the same way as Efren introduced the kick safety. Now a days, you have to leave pros, especially Taiwanese pros, close to the blocker or else they will just make it and run out.
^^THIS^^... if you're talking full 15 ball Rotation, it's not a break and run game, it's surgery.. Philippines hands down. Efren, The Lion, Jeffrey, not to mention the new Pinoy crew coming up... forget it.
When you say "Rotation", that's what I think of, full 15 ball rack rotation.
Every one knows 9 and 10 ball are rotation games, but it's NOT 'Rotation'.
They're break and run games.. break cue, jump cue, etc.
Taiwan is very strong on 9 and 10 ball. But we're talking tournament matches here.
For the cash... I'll bet Philippines all day. More gamble, more grind. My 2cents.
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Rotation
Plus 100... having watched Efren for years, It's an education watching the man run full rack rotation even in practice... the man's mind and creativity are truly one of a kind.
Let's have a FULL-RACK ROTATION match between Efren and ANY top Taiwan player... game over. My 2cents.
Plus 100... having watched Efren for years, It's an education watching the man run full rack rotation even in practice... the man's mind and creativity are truly one of a kind.
Let's have a FULL-RACK ROTATION match between Efren and ANY top Taiwan player... game over. My 2cents.
I remember watching the early days of VL Sports broadcasting live pool in Taiwan...and Chao was head and shoulders above the rest. A true world class champion before his time.
Cash on the pinoys ?! Pinoys choke on the cash all the time against the taiwanese , they look good gambling among em'self.
Yang massacred Dennis Orcollo in the color of money 2 , and rebuff Orcollo's attempt to imvite him to phil for 5k which yang simply asked for a mimimum bet of 50k.
Efren once admitted in the interview the best gamblers are the Taiwanese and no one can beat em.
Alot of philipines players are prob gonna need weight from Ko pin yi n his little boy ko pin chung lol
Peace guys
Peace guys
i sense you are not confident with all that you said and you had to say "Peace guys".
also, i dont remember any money match between a Taiwanese and a Filipino that involved giving weight to anyone. it was always even. i will reiterate some events in the past 2 months: Corteza beat Chang Jung-Lin last week 11-3 eliminating him in CBSA tournament in China after beating two other Taiwanese players (two months prior, Corteza also beat Chang in CBSA international open); and then Chua beats Chang Yu-Lung 9-1 last week in the same tournament. Oliver Medenilla (an unknown Filipino player)beat Kevin Cheng easily two days ago in w9b. i mean, why the hell would you think Filipinos need weight?
LOL, why do you even use Cezar Morales as your forums name?
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not to mention that this year's US OPEN will NOT be the first time the Taiwanese players will be in the US. They have been in previous tournaments here in the US before and the Filipinos have always placed higher. Even the Ko brothers playing as a team have been beaten by never heard of Filipinos (doubles) in the past 2 or 3 pacman tournaments.
And where is Yang now? Dennis Orcullo is still on the top of his game while Yang can be easily beaten nowadays by any of the top pinoys , including the young guns.
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Yang is ranked 51 in the world after playing in ONE EVENT! No way in the world would Dennis play him again a long race giving Yang 45 days notice. It would kill him to lose to him all 3 times.