Taiwanese are best rotation players on the planet

Masayoshi said:
Ko Pin Yi won the WPA 10 ball last year. He also has an All Japan title and a Guiness World Series of Pool title.

Not to mention their domination of the CSI event last year.
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That was this year 2015 world 10-ball....

He's gonna need a lot more to reach Efren status in order to make taiwan ground zero for rotation pool.

Then there is the longevity factor.

lets see him string some dominant years together.

Like I said, im watching him closely at the US Open this year. If he is as dominant as many on this forum say, I'm holding him to same standards that American players are held to when they play in China.

Losing to Mark Grey at world pool masters wasn't good for the dominant argument either.

Back to the threads point of Taiwanese best rotation players....not just Ko but all the other Taiwan players....they are gonna have to start winning majors before they can overtake phillipines.
 
molinatx4206 said:
I agree.... Taiwanese are monsters... The only thin I would add to the list is the young gun pinoys ... DeLuna , Ignacio and bubwit chua....and of course, don't forget little ko..
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In line with this, I'd like to mention that Johann Chua beat Taiwan's #1 player, Chang Yu-Lung yesterday with a score of 9-1, in the CBSA tournament.

Mcdermott1981 said:
I respect what you are saying Rock, but I have not heard of Chin-Shung Yang playing a competitive match in 5 years. I did say earlier in my post that 10 years ago, I thought he was the best 9 ball player alive. I have never seen Yang play 10 ball.
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Here's how Yang is performing in CBSA. (You can also see Chua vs Chang result that i mentioned above).
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Cheng, Yu Hsuan Taiwan, ROC
Pin-Yi Ko Taiwan, ROC
Jung-Lin Chang Taiwan, ROC
Yu-Lung Chang Taiwan, ROC
Ping-Chung Ko Taiwan, ROC
Kai-Lun Hsu Taiwan, ROC

All entered US Open 2015. First US Open utilizing racking template (Accu-rack by Outsville). This will be extremely interesting to watch.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
That was this year 2015 world 10-ball....

He's gonna need a lot more to reach Efren status in order to make taiwan ground zero for rotation pool.
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only Efren has an "Efren status". not even the ghost can reach Efren status. :grin-square:
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Speaking of Efren Status...I'm currently watching this....

https://youtu.be/2BuEdKTtrEM

60-yr old Efren dismantling Earl at Steniway in 2014 race to 21 10-ball.
That's why he is on the mount rushmore of pool.

unreal scary abilities.
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Call me pessimistic or naive but I don't think there will be anyone in the future that will match Efren's overall status and what he brought to the game. The innovation and creativity alone were signs of a genius on the pool table. It would be amazing if another Efren came along though, but I just don't see it happening.
 
Mcdermott1981 said:
There has a been a huge debate for the last several years on which country produces the best pool players. The answer to this question is typically "The Philippines".

I tend to disagree. I believe the answer should be "Taiwan". At least for Rotation games.
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CSI was just a single event. Ko went 0-2 in the recent World Pool Masters in which Shane was a repeat winner.

Top 5 Philippines could easily match up with Top 5 Taiwan. But the Phillipines have world class talent to go 15-20 deep. It's just not easy for them to go play internationally. They have young guns giving Efren and Busty weight.

With that said, 10b long race setting, I would go with Big Ko against anyone.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Speaking of Efren Status...I'm currently watching this....

https://youtu.be/2BuEdKTtrEM

60-yr old Efren dismantling Earl at Steniway in 2014 race to 21 10-ball.
That's why he is on the mount rushmore of pool.

unreal scary abilities.
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Give Efren credit, but it should be mentioned that Earl was no spring chicken at the time of that match either and Earl beat Efren in both 8 ball and 9 ball in that same match up
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Time will only tell.

Will Taiwan produce a player that dominates the game while leaving a mark on it forever in the way Efren Reyes did? Until that happens, Philippines in my opinion, will be the rotation capitol of the world.

There is a lot of talk about the Ko brothers who are outstanding players, but how will a five year window look for them? Any US Opens or WPA championships? How about World Pool Masters or World Cup of Pool? Certainly if the Ko brothers or fellow Taiwanese players take some of these big trophies down, your argument has much more merit.

A great telling will be this year's US Open, which has a host of Taiwanese players making the trip.
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LOL that is an uninformed jaundiced post
First of all the OP isn't comparing individuals, he is comparing country
Second WPM is invie, SE, field of 16 tourney so is not even up there with the majors (I.e. WC, All Japan, China Open, US Open). And WCOP is doubles event so is irrelevant when discussing individuals. The great thing about those 2 tourneys are they are high quality Matchroom events like MC, pays good $$

And Efren is one in a billion kind of player- so to compare player in this era vs Efren is just silly . With the huge amount of talent at too nowadays , it is extremely difficult for any player to dominate. I mean no player in last few decades has achieved Grand Slam of pool. Only one closest is Thorsten ( he has won WC, All Japan, China Open) - he only needs US Open to complete the Grand Slam.
Ya, Ko Pin Yi sucks , only won W10B and 2 xAll Japan at 26. ;)
 
I'd like to see while the Taiwan guys are here, a $2K entry, 10b race to 11, double elimination, 9ft diamond table, 16 player entry tournament.


Someone please make it happen.
 
gxman said:
CSI was just a single event. Ko went 0-2 in the recent World Pool Masters in which Shane was a repeat winner.

Top 5 Philippines could easily match up with Top 5 Taiwan. But the Phillipines have world class talent to go 15-20 deep. It's just not easy for them to go play internationally. They have young guns giving Efren and Busty weight.

With that said, 10b long race setting, I would go with Big Ko against anyone.
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The Masters is 9 ball. I think Ko is not quite as good at 9 ball as he is at 10 ball, or rather, he doesn't have the advantage of his break which yields break and runs in 10 ball quite more often than anybody else I have seen.

For 9 ball, I think SVB and Chang Jun Lin are probably Ko's better, because they handle difficult situations a bit better.
 
Colin Colenso said:
I doff my hat to men who believe their opinions. I find most of my own to be quite appalling, this one included! :wink:



Colin <- Assumes he has rights.
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Everyone says "I have a right to my own opinion". I think this should be changed to "you have a right to an informed opinion"
 
westcoast said:
Give Efren credit, but it should be mentioned that Earl was no spring chicken at the time of that match either and Earl beat Efren in both 8 ball and 9 ball in that same match up
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Of cource Earl beated Efren 8- and 9-ball. One thing just comes my mind.
Earl practices that table and play virtually always 10-footer nowadays. Efren played first time 10 footer that time when he was playing against Earl..

And my favorite Taiwanese player is(was) Assassin! Hui Kai Hsia

He was machine well oiled. Best matches from him were taken out from tube but something still around. One match what i miss was run out fest where Hsia opponent run out 10 racks race to 11 (or 8 to nine-cant´t remember) and finally Hsia get to table and start run of his own! ;)

Another match from Hsia so you who did not know him can see great player..

2003 9WB against reigning snooker world champ Mark williams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ly3lZRpN0
 
Poolmanis said:
Of cource Earl beated Efren 8- and 9-ball. One thing just comes my mind.
Earl practices that table and play virtually always 10-footer nowadays. Efren played first time 10 footer that time when he was playing against Earl..

And my favorite Taiwanese player is(was) Assassin! Hui Kai Hsia

He was machine well oiled. Best matches from him were taken out from tube but something still around. One match what i miss was run out fest where Hsia opponent run out 10 racks race to 11 (or 8 to nine-cant´t remember) and finally Hsia get to table and start run of his own! ;)

Another match from Hsia so you who did not know him can see great player..

2003 9WB against reigning snooker world champ Mark williams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ly3lZRpN0
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Hsia was painfully slow except in stealing CS Yang's girlfriend which he did quickly.:smile:
 
gxman said:
CSI was just a single event. Ko went 0-2 in the recent World Pool Masters in which Shane was a repeat winner.
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pretty good trick in a single elimination tournament or did they put him back in when another player bailed?
 
spartan said:
LOL that is an uninformed jaundiced post
First of all the OP isn't comparing individuals, he is comparing country
Second WPM is invie, SE, field of 16 tourney so is not even up there with the majors (I.e. WC, All Japan, China Open, US Open). And WCOP is doubles event so is irrelevant when discussing individuals. The great thing about those 2 tourneys are they are high quality Matchroom events like MC, pays good $$

And Efren is one in a billion kind of player- so to compare player in this era vs Efren is just silly . With the huge amount of talent at too nowadays , it is extremely difficult for any player to dominate. I mean no player in last few decades has achieved Grand Slam of pool. Only one closest is Thorsten ( he has won WC, All Japan, China Open) - he only needs US Open to complete the Grand Slam.
Ya, Ko Pin Yi sucks , only won W10B and 2 xAll Japan at 26. ;)
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To try to make your point you conveniently left out this part of my post...


"Back to the threads point of Taiwanese best rotation players....not just Ko but all the other Taiwan players....they are gonna have to start winning majors before they can overtake phillipines."

Nothing worse than deleting words to try to brow beat.
And yes, Efren is fair game when debating which country has produced better rotation players.

Also, I never said Ko was bad (yet another misguided tactic to try to prove a point). How he performs at WPA 9-ball and US Open this year will tell a lot. And we shall wait and see.
 
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