Take that, Europe! We are USA Strong!

[Cezar Morales]

Thank you for sharing your opinion. I disagree with you, but it is okay to have a difference of opinions. I'm not delusional, though, and I resent your remark in that regard.

Why don't you read the article in the link, as it could shed some light on why I made this thread. Then maybe you won't appear to be so delusional when you spew your so-called "words of wisdom" on this forum.

And, yes, I think the European style of play sucks a big weenie. Call me delusional, but it's boring. I'd rather watch paint dry, and I like pool.

I share the same thought with you 3 years ago.
I thought, hell, why wldnt i make it as fun as flamboyant as possible trying to play like Efren, spinning everything 7 cushions n going 3 when i could have gone 1 cushion
.
At the current incredibly high level of 9ball standards, it leaves such a low margin of error in any competition.
From the breaks, the run-outs, safety play, it requires an intensive amount of knowledge to keep it as simple as possible to avoid making careless or silly mistakes.
Most of the games at alternate breaks could result in the winner of the lag winning it becoz both players break n run out every single game.

After playing countless competition, my game has matured and i finally understand the true value of fundementals.
U say its boring now why dont ya try playing that style.
You will be surprised how much work ,dedication n knowledge involved , in order to make the game look boring and simple.
But again, your statement reflects the level of your game play so i wldn try going any deeper because you are not ready for all this info.

I wish you nothing but the best of luck on your endeaveours in making American pool great again.

 

[JAM]

I share the same thought with you 3 years ago.
I thought, hell, why wldnt i make it as fun as flamboyant as possible trying to play like Efren, spinning everything 7 cushions n going 3 when i could have gone 1 cushion
.
At the current incredibly high level of 9ball standards, it leaves such a low margin of error in any competition.
From the breaks, the run-outs, safety play, it requires an intensive amount of knowledge to keep it as simple as possible to avoid making careless or silly mistakes.
Most of the games at alternate breaks could result in the winner of the lag winning it becoz both players break n run out every single game.

After playing countless competition, my game has matured and i finally understand the true value of fundementals.
U say its boring now why dont ya try playing that style.
You will be surprised how much work ,dedication n knowledge involved , in order to make the game look boring and simple.
But again, your statement reflects the level of your game play so i wldn try going any deeper because you are not ready for all this info.

I wish you nothing but the best of luck on your endeaveours in making American pool great again.

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

 

[tonyboy59]

As the other member stated, the Derby City Classic isn't the be-all, end-all of pool, and neither is the Mosconi Cup. The Mosconi Cup with its quick races isn't really a thermometer of who's the best.

FWIW, Americans -- at some of us -- take pool serious too. :smile:

There was a time when the Mosconi Cup (quick races or not) was a barometer of the USA's talent. Now that the Europeans have steadily and methodically been picking apart USA's talent year after year...the Mosconi Cup is not a measure of "who's the best" - interesting.

 

[JAM]

There was a time when the Mosconi Cup (quick races or not) was a barometer of the USA's talent. Now that the Europeans have steadily and methodically been picking apart USA's talent year after year...the Mosconi Cup is not a measure of "who's the best" - interesting.

Most pool aficionados would agree that short races does not determine who's the best, but to each their own, I guess.

 

[jasonlaus]

Most pool aficionados would agree that short races does not determine who's the best, but to each their own, I guess.

Admire your spirit on the good ol US of A:thumbup: Hopefully we can turn this ship around.

What's surprising is the # of old timers at the top of fargo for USA, Archer, Morris, Hatch, Earl, Corey, Pinegar, Nevel, at this point Shane is becoming an old timer. There's one more name we'd all like to see make it back on that list, any guesses?

How's your hunt for Florida residency coming along? Lots of live action poker there also, wink, wink.

Anyway, have a great day!
Jason

 

[vjmehra]

Most pool aficionados would agree that short races does not determine who's the best, but to each their own, I guess.

You mean most posters on AZ ;-)

Tbh I don't disagree that a small sample of short races come down to luck, but with regards to the likes of the Mosconi Cup we're not just talking about a one off, we're talking quite a few years in a row now...thats not luck!

 

[KRJ]

Euros can play a couple games proficiently in a robotic, emotionless, tournament soldier kind of way.

We Americans play all games, always have and always will. Europe copied us and continued to believe they're superior. Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind.

There's always a paddle to fit every back side. And the U.S. now has the paddle to fit Europe's back side with our Young Guns. Watch out, Europe! There's going to be a new sheriff in town.

I love watching pool too, and watching the balls go in the pocket and getting perfect shape, sometimes using 3 or 4 or more rails, is a thing of beauty. But I don't care if the person has personality when doing it or not.

But, as the same time, are you saying Shaw is Robotic, and has no personality. I'll root for USA every time, but this is not the Olympics and I can enjoy watching others play well, robotic or not Heck, most of the Euro guys live in the US anyways

 

[pmac666]

Heck, most of the Euro guys live in the US anyways

jayson, mika, daz, földes and his pal....... thats hardly "most", or can you name another 10 - 20 to get to "most"?

 

[shinobi]

Most pool aficionados would agree that short races does not determine who's the best, but to each their own, I guess.

Europe has won 9 out of the last 10 Mosconi Cups. Their team is full of champions who also won events with longer races such as the World 9-ball Championships.

If USA had won 9 out of the last 10 Mosconi Cups and had a team stacked full of champions, and some European lady from Germany named "Jamhundt" came on here explaining to us how pool aficionados would agree that short races don't determine who'd best, you'd quite rightly question her sanity.

But hey, keep calm and delusion on.

 

[JAM]

Europe has won 9 out of the last 10 Mosconi Cups. Their team is full of champions who also won events with longer races such as the World 9-ball Championships.

If USA had won 9 out of the last 10 Mosconi Cups and had a team stacked full of champions, and some European lady from Germany named "Jamhundt" came on here explaining to us how pool aficionados would agree that short races don't determine who'd best, you'd quite rightly question her sanity.

But hey, keep calm and delusion on.

Is that the best you can do?

 

[shinobi]

Is that the best you can do?

Great post. Would read again.

 

[afittsch]

Great post. Would read again.

Funny, but i guess this thread just got started to push the "unwanted" and probably not very substantial post down.
I was kind of disappointed that no substantial exchange happend, but after post #16 i understood that probably nothing of substance will be happening. My guess after several thousend posts in this forum you are allowed to do that

One sad thing: Pool is an aging sport. We should unite and see it as a wonderful _hobby_. There is no money in pool NOW. We need more people that spread the love for pool and less "grumpy old man/ladies with sticks".
There are one trick ponies out there? Better than no trick ponies. The player acts like a robot? If i just had his stroke, oversight, ... US has a great history of pool, it is far from dead. I don't think it makes sense to sit and discuss if we need more money games or more high class (robot) pool that pushes the boundries of whats possible in pool.

We need players. More players.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Euros can play a couple games proficiently in a robotic, emotionless, tournament soldier kind of way.

Jam,

You've used those words to describe the European players for years now. Could you please provide the following if it's not too much trouble.

1. Examples of how Europeans should act whilst at the table to be more entertaining.

2. Examples of Americans under the age of 40 that act in such a way.

3. A list of what the players for #2 have won in the last 5 years.


TIA

 

[JAM]

Funny, but i guess this thread just got started to push the "unwanted" and probably not very substantial post down ...

Bingo!

We need players. More players.

Bingo again!

I'm glad somebody at least read the Billiards Digest article link that was contained in the first post of this thread. Thank you. :smile:

 

[Poolshootindon]

Thank you for sharing your opinion. I disagree with you, but it is okay to have a difference of opinions. I'm not delusional, though, and I resent your remark in that regard.

Why don't you read the article in the link, as it could shed some light on why I made this thread. Then maybe you won't appear to be so delusional when you spew your so-called "words of wisdom" on this forum.

And, yes, I think the European style of play sucks a big weenie. Call me delusional, but it's boring. I'd rather watch paint dry, and I like pool.

While I do think the American's have a great crop of young talent out there, and the future does look bright, the Euro's have been kicking our a$$es lately through consistency. Boring it may be, but its who gets the green at the end.

 

[gregcantrall]

Euros can play a couple games proficiently in a robotic, emotionless, tournament soldier kind of way...........snip.

As opposed to higher than a kite drug enhanced performances​, that we were treated to by the good ole boys? Complete with the over the top barking in between and even during matches. Not to mention the pleasure of opening the ladies room door to see a top player doing coke off the back of the toilet while getting his wazzle serviced. Yep that's much more entertaining.

 

[pt109]

Freddy and Jay thinks all is not lost...these kids look great with a cue.

https://youtu.be/L1z0SofLnww

 

[JAM]

As opposed to higher than a kite drug enhanced performances​, that we were treated to by the good ole boys? Complete with the over the top barking in between and even during matches. Not to mention the pleasure of opening the ladies room door to see a top player doing coke off the back of the toilet while getting his wazzle serviced. Yep that's much more entertaining.

Great contribution to the thread. Alex Higgins seems to enhance his state of consciousness at will and was still deemed as one of the great ones.

I'm so glad I don't have to wake and read your dribble on a daily basis.

 

[JAM]

Freddy and Jay thinks all is not lost...these kids look great with a cue.

https://youtu.be/L1z0SofLnww

I am watching that now from the other thread. Good stuff!

 

[jay helfert]

Funny, but i guess this thread just got started to push the "unwanted" and probably not very substantial post down.
I was kind of disappointed that no substantial exchange happend, but after post #16 i understood that probably nothing of substance will be happening. My guess after several thousend posts in this forum you are allowed to do that

One sad thing: Pool is an aging sport. We should unite and see it as a wonderful _hobby_. There is no money in pool NOW. We need more people that spread the love for pool and less "grumpy old man/ladies with sticks".
There are one trick ponies out there? Better than no trick ponies. The player acts like a robot? If i just had his stroke, oversight, ... US has a great history of pool, it is far from dead. I don't think it makes sense to sit and discuss if we need more money games or more high class (robot) pool that pushes the boundries of whats possible in pool.

We need players. More players.

Good post but I will refute one claim of yours. The "no money in Pool" thing gets repeated over and over again, and the fact is that a good player can make a decent living and a very good player can do even better. True, it's not golf or tennis money, but it's still money when you win $15,000 like Roberto Gomez just did at Chinook Winds. Shane picked up a cool $8,000 in the Ten Ball Challenge there as well. Take a look on the front page of AZ and check out the top money winners list sometime. Someone is getting a nice chunk of change at each event being played. And the other top finishers get a healthy pay check as well. Domestic travel is not that expensive (especially when you have sponsors) and room rates are not that exorbitant with shared rooms.

There is a semblance of a pool tour right here in the USA if you follow the tourneys from state to state. That's why you see so many Filipinos playing over here. They see opportunity where others see drought. Dennis hasn't done so badly plying his trade in the USA, winning in excess of 50-75K a year consistently for the last several years, spending only part time here. I won't go into the details, but Shane has set himself up well for retirement some day with his real estate holdings, and he's only 33. I suspect he will be well set to retire from full time pool by age 40, and not have to give lessons to survive! P.S. He did it all from playing pool for a living!

Then for the top players they have quite a few international events in Asia, Europe and the Middle East with healthy six figure prize funds. First prize is anywhere from thirty to fifty thousand in each of these events, similar to our own U.S. Open and Derby City events. So a top player can earn over 100K a year and several do each year. The good players get the support of sponsors, so they are essentially playing with no expenses.

There is a reason why the really good players stay involved in the game. They are doing something they love and making a living while doing it. There is also a sense of camaraderie with their fellow players. Sorry to upset all the knockers who constantly complain about "no money" in pool. It's there, you just have to have the skills to win it! :thumbup:

One last thing, that was real money Dennis won last week (he got a very fair share!) and some of us who profited along with him gave him a little bonus as well. Like Shane, Dennis has invested wisely in the PI, following in the footsteps of Efren, who is a major property owner in his community. These guys are not all dummies in case you didn't know.