Takini Cloth ( Very Similar to SIMONIS )

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WELL FOLKS MY LAST PM FROM CHRIS STATES THAT HE HAS BEEN A MEMBER SINCE 2006 AND HAS DONE OVER 500 DEALS AND THAT I HAVE ONLY BEEN A MEMBER FOR ALITTLE OVER A YEAR AND THAT HE WILL CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS AND THAT HE WILL BE JUST FINE. :angry:
 
Again, Good Luck! i have done nothing but try and help a friend out there are many people on this site who can attest to my character and honesty. Like i said before i didn't receive any payment for selling my friends cue just trying to help him out, and as far as a cuemaker fixing the cue i have no problem with splitting the cost to repair the cue to make you happy so we can stop all this bickering and back biting, this is not how i do business.

Chris

Have the cuemaker call me

702-291-8885
 
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Chris how can you tell me to split the cost of repair the reason the cue was bought was i bought it at a fair price in fact it was a few more dollars than i wanted to spend however in speaking with you i did come up a couple of dollars. For the few dollars it will cost for the repair why wouldn't you do the right thing and take care of it. Chris do the right thing here you know that selling someone something then telling them to spend money to fix said item isn't and never will be right in any sales transaction... I hope that you see this for what it is and consider it a cost of doing business as a business owner myself i can't count the times that i have eaten $$$ to make the customer happy....i look forward to you doing the right thing and my be able to change my thoughts and itrader rating for you......jeff
 
We should be able to work this out, I have left a message for Bill will let you know what he says.
 
Seriously, if you're going to continue selling the cloth, don't you think you should know more about it instead of just saying that you are not the manufacturer and just a guy selling the cloth?

Whoever and wherever you are getting your stock from, call and ask "Why does it say Simonis on the bag?" I don't think that is too hard.
 
AchtBall said:
He probably knows, but wont say because it will hurt his sales.
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I agree....

I'm not questioning the quality and the playability of the cloth since they are a few that have already tried it and says it plays well...but not being upfront or knowing all the facts about something you are selling, then that's misleading.
 
ContinentalGT said:
Chris you should probably come clean and refund the guys money. Apparently you have a bad reputation on AZ or you would not be in red.
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I agree, just refund his $. If there is nothing wrong witht he cue then it will be easy to resell it right? You can't leave him holding the bag.

On the cloth, I would not be surprised if Simonis makes the cloth and sells it under another brand name overseas. You average Asia player is not spending what we would on "Simonis". So they call it something else and have an Asia distributer, happens all the time.
 
ContinentalGT said:
Sure he can file suit,but it costs money to file the paper work in a civil suit and also would cost lawyer fees.
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$7 where I live and no lawyer is required. Best part if one party doesn't show, the other wins. Can sue to $3,000 where I live. You'd need to file where the seller lives.
 
singernak said:
All i can say is GOOD LUCK, like i have said many times before, I sold this cue for a friend, i received nothing in return!

As far as me not refunding him, well he has tried to tarnish my name on AZ i have been a member since 2006 and haven't had anything happen like this its obvious when i tried to help a friend out, i get burned.

As far as any refund, i have offered to help him get the cue repaired, which i think is fair, he also has filed a claim thru Paypal, so we will let them sort it out. I feel like i have compromised as to helping him get the cue repaired as that would be money out of my pocket.

The offer still stands to help you repair the cue, thats more than fair after all you have done..
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If you sold it, you are liable...for a friend or not. Have your friend take it back then.
 
"Seriously, if you're going to continue selling the cloth, don't you think you should know more about it instead of just saying that you are not the manufacturer and just a guy selling the cloth?

Whoever and wherever you are getting your stock from, call and ask "Why does it say Simonis on the bag?" I don't think that is too hard."

First off if Simonis makes cloth for Takini or vice versa I am personally not concerned with Simonis being on the bag, maybe they do it for comparison all I can say is it sells just as good as Simonis for me.

As far as the refund and repair I am dealing with the buyer and Bill Stroud.

Chris
 
Wow, so you don't care to be knowledgable about your product as long as it sells?

singernak said:
"Seriously, if you're going to continue selling the cloth, don't you think you should know more about it instead of just saying that you are not the manufacturer and just a guy selling the cloth?

Whoever and wherever you are getting your stock from, call and ask "Why does it say Simonis on the bag?" I don't think that is too hard."

First off if Simonis makes cloth for Takini or vice versa I am personally not concerned with Simonis being on the bag, maybe they do it for comparison all I can say is it sells just as good as Simonis for me.

As far as the refund and repair I am dealing with the buyer and Bill Stroud.

Chris
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This thread is supposed to be about TAKINI cloth. It appears as if people are referring to other situations, which are muddying the "field" here.

I purchased a package of 9' TAKINI (Electric Blue/Tournament Blue whatever) from SINGERNAK about a month ago. He promptly shipped it to me in Central California. Had it in my hands three days after payment, as promised.

I had it professionally installed by a man who was trained by Oscar Dominguez of Texas. I asked him to inspect the cloth, and after installing, give me his opinion of the cloth.

He could find no difference in the cloth, with the exception of the stitching around the edge of the cloth, and, the material had approximately 3 times the stretch of Simonis, making it a very fast table.

Now, after reading all the comments regarding the Simonis label on the bag (which DID push my curiosity button), I finally personally contacted Simonis by e-mail, and got an immediate response from IVAN LEE of Simonis.

His response was that (first) Simonis has NO link to TAKINI, whatsoever. However, in saying this, he also stated that TAKINI DOES sell SIMONIS cloth. Thus, as many vendors throughtout the world use a common practice, they have all of their shipping bags imprinted with all their products, saving $$ on printing.

So, in my humble opinion, I can understand why there is a SIMONIS imprint on their bags, however, intentional or not, it could be mis-leading to a purchaser.

Mr. Lee also stated that he had previously contacted TAKINI and requested that they NOT use the SIMONIS insignia on their bags. Since one does not know how many thousands of bags were printed, or just how long this vendor has had the merchandise, it is not that big of a deal.

So, again, referring to the original post, This man is selling a viable product, made by a Korean company, who also happens to sell SIMONIS cloth. I do not know Chris personally, however, I had NO PROBLEMS with our specific transaction.

I hope this will quash the question of TAKINI cloth. IF anyone is looking to replace their table cloth, this IS an inexpensive way to do so, with a comparable cloth to SIMONIS. Those of you who might have other situations with Chris should post on separate threads.

Just trying to set some records straight.
 
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TAP said:
This thread is supposed to be about TAKINI cloth. It appears as if people are referring to other situations, which are muddying the "field" here.

I purchased a package of 9' TAKINI (Electric Blue/Tournament Blue whatever) from SINGERNAK about a month ago. He promptly shipped it to me in Central California. Had it in my hands three days after payment, as promised.

I had it professionally installed by a man who was trained by Oscar Dominguez of Texas. I asked him to inspect the cloth, and after installing, give me his opinion of the cloth.

He could find no difference in the cloth, with the exception of the stitching around the edge of the cloth, and, the material had approximately 3 times the stretch of Simonis, making it a very fast table.

Now, after reading all the comments regarding the Simonis label on the bag (which DID push my curiosity button), I finally personally contacted Simonis by e-mail, and got an immediate response from IVAN LEE of Simonis.

His response was that (first) Simonis has NO link to TAKINI, whatsoever. However, in saying this, he also stated that TAKINI DOES sell SIMONIS cloth. Thus, as many vendors throughtout the world use a common practice, they have all of their shipping bags imprinted with all their products, saving $$ on printing.

So, in my humble opinion, I can understand why there is a SIMONIS imprint on their bags, however, intentional or not, it could be mis-leading to a purchaser.

Mr. Lee also stated that he had previously contacted TAKINI and requested that they NOT use the SIMONIS insignia on their bags. Since one does not know how many thousands of bags were printed, or just how long this vendor has had the merchandise, it is not that big of a deal.

So, again, referring to the original post, This man is selling a viable product, made by a Korean company, who also happens to sell SIMONIS cloth. I do not know Chris personally, however, I had NO PROBLEMS with our specific transaction.

I hope this will quash the question of TAKINI cloth. IF anyone is looking to replace their table cloth, this IS an inexpensive way to do so, with a comparable cloth to SIMONIS. Those of you who might have other situations with Chris should post on separate threads.

Just trying to set some records straight.
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Thank you. Chris should send you a FREE cut of Takini for doing his job for him.

And wow, to save about 1 penny they use the same bag and cause confusion with the logos. The cost to make plastic bags in Asia is so low that it's laughable to consider any other reason for putting the Simonis logo on the bag than to insinuate a link between the brands. An honorable company makes two bags. One for Simonis and one for Takini.

Anyway, thank you for clearing it up.
 
I had to chime in because for the first time in history I agree with JB on something. I too believe the logo is there to deliberately mislead. I also think the seller is a douche for not caring what's in the bag or what the bag reads, as long as it he makes money selling it.
BTW that GC5 looks freaking awesome. Now I think my GC3 looks like sh!t.
Thanks for that, fawker.
 
Trademarks

It doesn't surprise me that a Korean product would have a more established manufacturer's logo on it. If anybody on the board spent any time in the military over in Korea, they would be able to attest that copyrights and trademark almost have no meaning over there. There are things that would get businesses closed down here that are commonplace there.
That being said the seller should be aware if a company endorses having their brand logo is on a product they are not selling. Especially if the dealings are international. Why not just make OK to go on the city streets and buy Levy knockoffs, as long as they fit as well as Levis? Just my two cents worth.
 
Tap thanks for you comments, and i am glad you like the cloth. As to me not caring about my product as long as i am making money, well i will tell you Takini is being introduced to the marketplace at a very low cost and so far is doing very well here in the US. I do care about the products i am selling and am sorry if it came across that way. I personally don't speak Korean therefore cannot communicate directly with the Manufacturer. This is a GREAT cloth at a Superb price.

It does make sense though for a company who represents and sell multiple brands to have them all on the same bag, it is good to know now that Simonis is not made by Takini.

Takini has been around a long time like Simonis and there demographic until now has been the Asian market, they have manufactured Carom cloth and are a well known textile company in South Korea.


I still have several pieces available for purchase.

Bump it to the TOP and get you some GREAT cloth.

Chris
 
I doubt that Chris will do the right thing and fix the problem. He is making his customers very mad. I am another victim here. I read your complaint last month but unfortunately I already made the payment. If you made the post a little earlier, I would not buy the cue from Chris.

XPLAYHARDX said:
Chris how can you tell me to split the cost of repair the reason the cue was bought was i bought it at a fair price in fact it was a few more dollars than i wanted to spend however in speaking with you i did come up a couple of dollars. For the few dollars it will cost for the repair why wouldn't you do the right thing and take care of it. Chris do the right thing here you know that selling someone something then telling them to spend money to fix said item isn't and never will be right in any sales transaction... I hope that you see this for what it is and consider it a cost of doing business as a business owner myself i can't count the times that i have eaten $$$ to make the customer happy....i look forward to you doing the right thing and my be able to change my thoughts and itrader rating for you......jeff
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I offered you a partial refund via PAYPAL so that you can get the pin fixed. I think $300 is more than fair and that it shouldn't cost any more than that.

Knowing the situation, i will lose $1575 of my own money since the original cue owner is nowhere to be found.


Do you think thats fair?

Chris
 
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