TAP launches new web site and reports record growth

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Yes it is alot of data. And TAP did not raise their yearly memberships or charge their league operators extra which in the long run would cost extra to the players in league fees. This was done by TAP corp. and ZERO cost to their members. Didn't the APA raise their yearly memberships and what did the players get for that added cost?
 
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And I want to add once again....this is FREE to TAP members.

And this is just the beginning. There are even bigger things planned with Pool-Net for the future.
 
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Rule question

I am not going to keep with this question, if it's right or wrong or makes sense or not or if it's goofy , etc. It's TAP's rule and that is all to it. As in any company not everyone within the company agrees on everything. Same with TAP. We have our annual licensee meeting every year at the Super Billiards Expo in Valley Forge and we always disagree on things but we always work to make the league better. Again who is to say the BCA spotting the 8 ball is a good rule or the APA slopping balls in is a good rule. Who cares? It's their league and their rules.

EVERY LEAGUE HAS THEIR OWN RULES. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE WORLD GO AROUND.
 
Georgia Boy-Paul

You are 100% correct in Terry. He is the real deal and one of the nicest guys you will meet. He is one of the people within TAP that when he speaks at our annual meeting, he makes sense and people listen. He always brings some good insights and advice to the table. I was on the phone with him last week and had a nice conversation with him. Great guy!
 
MikeM said:
Are you guys freakin' serious? Really, how often does this come up? I've played TAP for about the last 5 years and it doesn't happen more than a handful of times in a year.

Does it really warrant being brought up on a thread where Sam is trying to promote a league that in turn promotes pool?

Start your own TAP-bashing thread and have at it.

Do you guys sorta see how you're promulgating the negativity around here?

MM...keep it positive!!!
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Last time I checked the main forum was for an open exchange of ideas and opinions, and there is no requirement or presumption to "keep it positive". If the OP wished to protect himself from any negativity then he could have posted a sales pitch in the "For Sale" area.

Personally, I think it holds pool back that leagues are out there that have their own different rules for certain situations. And the OP's response to the question about the rule...

TAP rules state a called ball and made shot, regardless if there is a scratch that follows, is a completed shot. Agree or disagree with the rules, that is how it is played in TAP.
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...is pretty flippant. Some guys ask in order to understand the rationale for the rule and the response is "like it or lump it" with no explanation of the reason behind it? If that response to a legitimate question is reflective of the attitude of the management at TAP, thanks but no thanks.
 
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Sam...Stick to what you do best...promote your league POSITIVELY, instead of bashing APA. BTW, if your numbers (allegedly TAP National #'s) are up 200%, put it into terms anyone can relate to. How many new teams are there nationally?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Sam at TAP said:
Yes it is alot of data. And TAP did not raise their yearly memberships or charge their league operators extra which in the long run would cost extra to the players in league fees. This was done by TAP corp. and ZERO cost to their members. Didn't the APA raise their yearly memberships and what did the players get for that added cost?
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Sam at TAP said:
I am not going to keep with this question, if it's right or wrong or makes sense or not or if it's goofy , etc. It's TAP's rule and that is all to it. As in any company not everyone within the company agrees on everything. Same with TAP. We have our annual licensee meeting every year at the Super Billiards Expo in Valley Forge and we always disagree on things but we always work to make the league better. Again who is to say the BCA spotting the 8 ball is a good rule or the APA slopping balls in is a good rule. Who cares? It's their league and their rules.

EVERY LEAGUE HAS THEIR OWN RULES. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE WORLD GO AROUND.
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BCAs rule of spotting the 8 on the break is an excellent rule.

If you're a 7 in TAP (are you?) and you're playing another 7. He/She wins the lag and gets lucky on the break a couple times by making the 8 and you lose, do you think thats the correct way pool is to be played?

I have zero respect for the players who play a second ball break in hopes of making the 8 for an easy win. Now if they cant make a ball playing a head ball break, maybe they have something to practice rather then try and steal a win.

I also dislike slop and any time the 8 on the break is a win. I also dislike TAP 9 ball so you can just call the 9 every shot and if it happens to go in, you're the winner. In my eyes, if you call the 9 and something else drops, it should be the opponents choice who shoots next.
 
TAP 9 ball

Not sure where you heard about TAP 9 ball but we call the 9 ball, it is not slop. Maybe you better check the rules. TAP has been playing it this way since March 2009. It is Texas Express rules (as the pros played for many years) except we call the 9 ball. And I have never seen a player call the 9 ball on every shot. They call it on combos, caroms and when it is the last ball on the table.

Scott....I thought I was promoting TAP in a positive way. Read my first post and you will see there was no bashing of any league.

And to DogsPlayinPool....I never gave a like it or lump it response. I simply answered that this is the way ALL leagues are with different rules. That is what sets each league apart from the other. Players need to make a choice on what they like the best.

It is amazing to me, to TAP and our members that when I post a simple thread on AZ on TAP's growth and not bashing any leagues that the negativity comes out and the bashing begins with TAP. And most of those people have never tried TAP! When I posted the Pool-Net player data I am surprised not one person bashed that too, especially the APA ops and their cronies on here. But then again it would be very difficult to bash something that they can't offer to their members.

One thing you people better realize. I will be posting on here from time to time with updates, announcements, etc. on TAP and if any of the other league operators or members do not like it then you don't have to read it. If these people cared about our sport and the advancements TAP is trying to do for the game, their members and within the billiard industry then they would not have a problem with it but they do and the reason they do boils down to one word.....money.
 
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Sam at TAP said:
Not sure where you heard about TAP 9 ball but we call the 9 ball, it is not slop. Maybe you better check the rules. TAP has been playing it this way since March 2009. It is Texas Express rules (as the pros played for many years) except we call the 9 ball. And I have never seen a player call the 9 ball on every shot. They call it on combos, caroms and when it is the last ball on the table.


It is amazing to me, to TAP and our members that when I post a simple thread on AZ on TAP's growth and not bashing any leagues that the negativity comes out and the bashing begins with TAP. And most of those people have never tried TAP! When I posted the Pool-Net player data I am surprised not one person bashed that too, especially the APA ops and their cronies on here. But then again it would be very difficult to bash something that they can't offer to their members.

One thing you people better realize. I will be posting on here from time to time with updates, announcements, etc. on TAP and if any of the other league operators or members do not like it then you don't have to read it. If these people cared about our sport and the advancements TAP is trying to do for the game, their members and within the billiard industry then they would not have a problem with it but they do and the reason they do boils down to one word.....money.
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Ive used bold on all of the stupid things you said in this post, in my eyes.

Im going to start at the top and give my opinion.

1) Slop 9 ball - Just because you call the 9 ball, doesnt mean its not slop. There are many TAP players who just have a whack towards the 9 and call it VERY VERY often, every single time it is going to move. I just think if you call it very often and something else goes in, the opponent should have choice if they want to shoot. I also prefer this in gambling matches where we play call pocket 9 ball.

2) Members/Never tried TAP - Since you can pull up player info, feel free to see if I actually play TAP. I play in my home town *Hamilton, Ontario, CANADA* and my first name is Dan.

3) YOU PEOPLE? - This is rediculous, you people? It sounds like we're at a hate speech.

4) Money - At the end of the day, do the TAP league operators turn a profit? I know I wouldnt do it for free. Especially in my area where our league reps drive over an hour twice a week out of town to delivery match sheets and play when they could just as easily play in their home town.

Have a great week!
 
Your post Dan

Not going to get in a pissing match with you Dan. Your licensee is the TAP national tourny director and he explained the rule about making a called shot on a open table and scratching. You seem to not agree so you come on here and try to get a different answer from me. And you did not. I had a conference call with Bruce today and he mentioned this. :)

As for any of my wording, I post alot of things on my site, emails, etc. everyday and I apologize if I am not up to your high standards. As for the money, yes, it is alot of work to run these leagues and the people that do this are underpaid and under appreciated. But I am not talking about this part of it. I am talking about when I post the other league operators always seem to want to bash TAP.
 
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Interesting topic here...

When I played in this league the 9 Ball handicap system was a complete farse. I observed players who had 75- 80 % win percentages, who's handicaps never changed over 20 plus matches.This in itself told me the handicap system did'nt work.

Went to their National event in Louisville which was without a doubt one of the worse train-wrecks I have ever seen.

Played in a mini-tournament that started Friday night, and wasn't finished until two or three days later. No table lighting, and ball-room chandeliers and 20 foot high ceilings with flourescent fixtures,would not be what I would consider acceptable playing conditions for a National Championship.They had no where near enough tables for an event dubbed as a national event.

After a huge controversy over handicaps T.D. directors announced there would be no handicap raises in the remaining matches (I believe they were down to 4 teams at that point) Once the announcement was made, I then observed a team from Florida's handicap 3's and 4's run a number of racks and destroy a team that was pretty close to 5-6 skill levels (overall)under handicapped themselves, they had no chance of winning.

For me to ever consider this league as any kind of formidable option compared to any other nationally operated league, I would think they would have to at least run a national tournament on somewhat of a comparable level as the ACS,BCA,APA,and VALLEY leagues.

The complete disorganization of tournament operations, no "real" working handicap system ,and lacking basic acceptable playing conditions it is hard for me to consider this league to be much more than a feeble attempt to provide players a worthy alternative to any other nationally operated league I have played in.

In all fairness keep in mind this has been a number of years ago, however my description is fairly accurate and spot on, as it was such a miserable experience I certainly have not forgot. It was such a poorly ran event, there is no need for me to embellish the details. I would be curious to know the following questions :

Where is the National Event held now ?
How many tables do they have for this event ?
IS THERE TABLE LIGHTING ?
What measurable improvements have been made since the event in Louisville ?
Do you still have different league operators using their own version
and variations of score sheets ?
Will you post your score sheet here, so players can get a feel for what it's like, and what is required to keep score on a match ?
What is the turn-over % of players who play one or two sessions and switch back to another league ?
How many teams\players were at last years national event ?
 
Sam at TAP said:
Not going to get in a pissing match with you Dan. Your licensee is the TAP national tourny director and he explained the rule about making a called shot on a open table and scratching. You seem to not agree so you come on here and try to get a different answer from me. And you did not. I had a conference call with Bruce today and he mentioned this. :)

As for any of my wording, I post alot of things on my site, emails, etc. everyday and I apologize if I am not up to your high standards. As for the money, yes, it is alot of work to run these leagues and the people that do this are underpaid and under appreciated. But I am not talking about this part of it. I am talking about when I post the other league operators always seem to want to bash TAP.
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Hey there Sam!

I have no idea who my licensee is nor who Bruce is. I didnt even play TAP this past session but I happened to be there during playoffs and I was curious if that specific rule and that is why I asked. It didnt happen to me, my team, my opponent, etc. This rule has never came up during any league matches I have participated in.

I really hope your conference call was beneficial talking about a ruling on something when its very clear that 'Bruce' is thinking of another situation.

You are NOT up to my high standards, you act like a jerk. If it was just you running the league, I would not give TAP another cent. Fortunately we have people around here that DONT act like jerks and I'll probably play again next session.
 
Never have tried tap...wouldn't mind trying it if were local.

That aside, that personal stats page is the triple nuts imho.

Talk about tracking progress! Great idea.
 
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ILL ANSWER THESE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE FOR YOU.

Where is the National Event held now ? IT MOVES EVERY 2 YEARS OR SO...SINCE LOUISVILLE ITS BEEN HELD IN MRYTLE BEACH, ORLANDO AND CHARLESTON, SC...THE NEXT TWO YEARS ARE PLANNED AT BALLYS IN LAS VEGAS.
How many tables do they have for this event ? 80 DIAMONDS
IS THERE TABLE LIGHTING ?...NOT SURE ON THIS...IT MAY HAVE BEEN AT SOME AND OTHERS MAYBE NOT...CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY
What measurable improvements have been made since the event in Louisville ?...POOL-NET....BIGTIME IMPROVEMENT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE STATS I POSTED AND THERE IS MORE EXCITING THINGS PLANNED THAT I AM NOT AT LIBERTY TO SAY AT THIS TIME.
Do you still have different league operators using their own version
and variations of score sheets ?...NOT THAT I KNOW OF
Will you post your score sheet here, so players can get a feel for what it's like, and what is required to keep score on a match ? SURE, IF I CAN...IM IN THE BOONIES HERE AND ON DIAL UP SO ITS A REAL PAIN TO UPLOAD ...SORRY, I TRIED TO UPLOAD IT BUT THIS SITE SAYS IT IS TO BIG. WHAT IS REQUIRED IS A PEN AND BEING ABLE TO COUNT ON YOUR FINGERS. VERY SIMPLE SCOREKEEPING BUT MORE INVOLVED THEN APA.
What is the turn-over % of players who play one or two sessions and switch back to another league ? THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENS LOCALLY IN EACH AREA...I DO SALES, I DO NOT KEEP TRACK OF EVERY LEAGUE
How many teams\players were at last years national event ? I DONT HAVE THAT NUMBER BUT I DO KNOW OUR VALLEY FORGE EVENT IS SOLD OUT EVERY YEAR AND IT IS GOING TO BE EXPANDED.

I FELT LIKE I BEEN ON THE WITNESS STAND....I SHOT THE SHERIFF BUT I DID NOT SHOOT NO DEPUTY..:)

LOOK GUYS...I HAVE A VERY BIG TITLEHOLDER EVENT TO GET READY FOR NEXT WEEK AND I WISH I COULD CHAT WITH YOU BUT I CAN'T...BUT DAN, I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS I THOUGHT VERY PROFESSIONALLY AND YOU CALL ME A JERK....MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT YOU TOO.

PS.....I JUST HEARD THAT IT LOOKS LIKE COLOMBUS, OHIO WILL BE COMING INTO TAP THIS FALL TOO.....TAP KEEPS ON GROWING!!
 
First off I have to say Dan is correct, I was thinking the player I had discussed this same rule with during our Spring Provincials was Dan, so my apologies to both Dan and Sam on the confusion I myself created.
But I will attempt to answer your question Dan
TAP views a completed shot as 2 parts
One the completion of the called ball and pocket
Two control of the cue ball
TAP's handicap system is only concerned with part one, completing the shot.
Since the shot was completed that becomes the category of balls for the shooting player regardless of the outcome of the cue ball.

Some Guy
I registered and am posting to help a player in my area, so this is my very first post. I noticed you've posted twice, based on your own post don't play TAP anymore, and yet you have more questions than anyone thats posted??
We've never raised handicaps during our tournaments so not too sure where that comment comes.
As for the 3's and 4's that were "running racks" I recall quite a few of them being dq'd
As for lighting over the tables?? I've been to many events from other leagues with the same, and where there has been lights I also noticed we then were constantly pumping money into the tables. Everyone plays on the same table so no one is getting an advantage, plus the constant gratitude from players not having to pay for tables at our events is a huge plus. TAP is a non-sponsored league meaning we are self sufficient at our events not having to rely on outside money to run our events, how many leagues can you say have that ability?
The first year we were in Louisville left all of us at TAP scrambling since we were supposed to be in New Orleans and Katrina hit a month before our event. Anyone involved in running a large event would understand the crippling affect that has scrambling to find a replacement venue large enough. We learned from that mistake in not asking in advance if they had rules regarding the closing of the ball room where we had the event. So not only did it hurt our players in the mini's it also hurt the mini director since we had no advance knowledge knowing this was going to happen, let alone her taking money from her own pocket to pay players that were totally rude to her for something she had no control over.
Wondering..... were you one of those players?

8 on the break?
I've seen it happen both ways, players makes the 8 and win, player makes the 8 and scratch or put the cue ball off the table and lose
Considering 8-ball has well over 100 documented ways in which to play the game I can live with this rule no matter which way it gets written, same for all players.
For reference TAP 9-ball is call pocket, as long as you mark the pocket you intend to make the 9-ball in, you win.
As for gambling?? I have enough very high end players in my area I've watched gamble, if they shoot a shot and another ball drops they keep shooting, same as the pro's, part of the game of 9-ball, now 10 ball different story!!

Bruce
TAP Canada
 
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First off I have to say Dan is correct, I was thinking the player I had discussed this same rule with during our Spring Provincials was Dan, so my apologies to both Dan and Sam on the confusion I myself created.
But I will attempt to answer your question Dan
TAP views a completed shot as 2 parts
One the completion of the called ball and pocket
Two control of the cue ball
TAP's handicap system is only concerned with part one, completing the shot.
Since the shot was completed that becomes the category of balls for the shooting player regardless of the outcome of the cue ball.

8 on the break?
I've seen it happen both ways, players makes the 8 and win, player makes the 8 and scratch or put the cue ball off the table and lose
Considering 8-ball has well over 100 documented ways in which to play the game I can live with this rule no matter which way it gets written, same for all players.
For reference TAP 9-ball is call pocket, as long as you mark the pocket you intend to make the 9-ball in, you win.
As for gambling?? I have enough very high end players in my area I've watched gamble, if they shoot a shot and another ball drops they keep shooting, same as the pro's, part of the game of 9-ball, now 10 ball different story!!

Bruce
TAP Canada
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Has it ever been brought up at maybe a national meeting to look at the rule posted and discuss it being changed? That was my original question.

I prefer playing call pocket 9 ball, call everything when I gamble against certain people for one reason: Im not very lucky! We play it the exact same was as 8 ball and 10 ball. If you dont pocket the ball you called, its your opponents shot (choice to save from the person rolling in the 8 and saying 'just a shot' leave a really horrible 9 ball shot) I know in our area, there are certain players who slash like no tomorrow at the 9 and pocket other balls along the way. Its a little irritating when the guy is slashing at the 9, misses it by 3 feet, pockets something else and continues to shoot. Just my personal preference.

You do have some solid players in the area. Well, you have 1 very solid player and some solid players in league player terms. I think Ive played against a few of them on occasion.

Thanks for the post and thanks for not acting like Sam.
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Dan
Yes it's a rule that has been discussed in the past.
It's like looking at the glass........... half full or half empty.
If the President of the TAP league had made the rule the opposite way, I'm sure there would be discussions going the opposite way with players.:smile:
But yes, players have requested a look at this rule in the past.

Sorry to hear you have alot of "slash" 9-ball players in Hamilton so I understand why you ask for the rules you do when gambling.
We have in the past looked at a call ball/pocket for 9-ball but the consensus is league night would just last forever, especially on the 9 foot tables.
I've found lower end/new players would love to get better, problem usually arises from their coach telling them what to do, hence we went to a call 9 and has stopped quite a bit of the slashing at the 9 attitude, but hasn't eliminated it, I guess it's the nature of the beast. Personally I'd love to see a 10 ball format!

For the record there's 3 others that'll give our good buddy RB a run for his money on a any given day in my back yard. He's human!

Bruce
TAP Canada
 
TAP Canada said:
Dan
Yes it's a rule that has been discussed in the past.
But yes, players have requested a look at this rule in the past.

For the record there's 3 others that'll give our good buddy RB a run for his money on a any given day in my back yard. He's human!

Bruce
TAP Canada
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THREE others? No way. Maybe Kirk or Paul if Rob is deathly ill but no one else comes anywhere close in my opinion. I dont play TOO horrible but I wouldnt play our league race for money against him. I think the last time we played it was 7-4 race and he won. The time before it was the same and I won somehow.
 
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