Taper of the butt portion?

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Will "MONSOON" & SEARING!
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Hello. What kind of taper is it when the butt is like a pop bottle, where from the top of the wrap to the butt cap is pretty much the same and the forearm is tapered so that the joint never touches the surface?
 
Hello. What kind of taper is it when the butt is like a pop bottle, where from the top of the wrap to the butt cap is pretty much the same and the forearm is tapered so that the joint never touches the surface?

There are many terms. Coke bottle, compound and parabolic come to mine. I prefer that type of taper but then you open yourself up to the nits that roll it on a table and say it's warped.
 
Hello. What kind of taper is it when the butt is like a pop bottle, where from the top of the wrap to the butt cap is pretty much the same and the forearm is tapered so that the joint never touches the surface?
I only know of one person doing that.

It's whacked.
 
I would call that a poorly done taper. But that is just my opinion.

I wouldn't say SouthWest and Bluegrass poorly taper their cues. As Murray stated, it's a compound taper, and is done so on purpose. The reason is because it allows for the "A" joint to be considerably larger, adding significant strength and spine, while the handle & butt are still a comfortable size. Naturally, this dual taper shape will create a scenario where the "A" joint and tip are the points of contact when the cue lies flat on the table. As Murray also said, the nits complain because they don't understand, and they think something is wrong. That's why many of us who would otherwise prefer a compound taper, don't use it.
 
I wouldn't say SouthWest and Bluegrass poorly taper their cues. As Murray stated, it's a compound taper, and is done so on purpose. The reason is because it allows for the "A" joint to be considerably larger, adding significant strength and spine, while the handle & butt are still a comfortable size. Naturally, this dual taper shape will create a scenario where the "A" joint and tip are the points of contact when the cue lies flat on the table. As Murray also said, the nits complain because they don't understand, and they think something is wrong. That's why many of us who would otherwise prefer a compound taper, don't use it.

I still use compound taper. Wouldn't do it the other way.
But, no curves and I don't go down to .835 joint and a fat 1.275 bottom.
.200" forearm taper and .180"-.200" handle taper is plenty enough for me.
 
I still use compound taper. Wouldn't do it the other way.
But, no curves and I don't go down to .835 joint and a fat 1.275 bottom.
.200" forearm taper and .180"-.200" handle taper is plenty enough for me.

I use a straight taper, but kinda met in the middle. My forearms are 13" with the tenon going into the handle. Most cues have 12" forearms with handle tenon going into the forearm. The extra inch gives me more meat in that area and the tenon has a lot more beef around it.
 
OK. Sorry for any confusion, as I hurry and wrote this just before leaving this morning. The area from the top of wrap to bottom is not the exact same, it just seems that way when your roll it on the pool table. here are the measurements:

bottom of cue--1.31"
below wrap--1.21"
above wrap--1"
joint--.82"

I am sure it was answered already, but is it a compound taper or a parabolic taper, as I have heard the terms, but am not knowledgeable on them.

Thank you for responding to my inquiry.
 
I use a straight taper, but kinda met in the middle. My forearms are 13" with the tenon going into the handle. Most cues have 12" forearms with handle tenon going into the forearm. The extra inch gives me more meat in that area and the tenon has a lot more beef around it.

Well you must be a genius... because that is just what I do for the same reason:).

Dale
 
OK. Sorry for any confusion, as I hurry and wrote this just before leaving this morning. The area from the top of wrap to bottom is not the exact same, it just seems that way when your roll it on the pool table. here are the measurements:

bottom of cue--1.31"
below wrap--1.21"
above wrap--1"
joint--.82"

I am sure it was answered already, but is it a compound taper or a parabolic taper, as I have heard the terms, but am not knowledgeable on them.

Thank you for responding to my inquiry.

No. That's more like a house cue taper .
It's one taper/angle.
 
OK. Sorry for any confusion, as I hurry and wrote this just before leaving this morning. The area from the top of wrap to bottom is not the exact same, it just seems that way when your roll it on the pool table. here are the measurements:

bottom of cue--1.31"
below wrap--1.21"
above wrap--1"
joint--.82"

I am sure it was answered already, but is it a compound taper or a parabolic taper, as I have heard the terms, but am not knowledgeable on them.

Thank you for responding to my inquiry.

I don't get how this taper is coke bottle shaped or the joint not touching the table.
 
For reference, compound taper means that the cue has two or more distinct straight tapers _/. Parabolic taper means that the cue has a curved taper shape (_.

To confuse things even more, either of these tapers will create an obtuse arc on when used on the butt, and an acute arc when used on a shaft. Makes total sense if you don't think about it.
 
Let's open a can of worms... First by definition there is no such thing as a parabolic taper. Parabolic means... of, relating to, or resembling a parabola... A Parabola... is a curve formed by the set of points in a plane that are all equally distant from both a given line (called the directrix) and a given point (called the focus) that is not on the line.

Although some butts are constructed with two distinct taper rate with a sharp change between the two which would be a compound taper, when referring to shafts a compound taper is usually a series of several taper rates which blend into one another without any noticeable sharp changes.
 
Let's open a can of worms... First by definition there is no such thing as a parabolic taper. Parabolic means... of, relating to, or resembling a parabola... A Parabola... is a curve formed by the set of points in a plane that are all equally distant from both a given line (called the directrix) and a given point (called the focus) that is not on the line.

Although some butts are constructed with two distinct taper rate with a sharp change between the two which would be a compound taper, when referring to shafts a compound taper is usually a series of several taper rates which blend into one another without any noticeable sharp changes.
Hi Todd,
I just wanted to understand your statement "First by definition there is no such thing as a parabolic taper." a little better. Since there is a definition of a parabola, then there can indeed be a taper that follows part of a parabolic curve. Now, it has been stated here before that a true parabola cannot be cut by a CNC because a CNC can only move in straight lines and not a true curves. Is that what you are referring to? If you had the processing power in your CNC controller to reduce the straight line segments down to say .1mm, then for all practical purposes you'd have a parabolic taper.
Or perhaps you have something else in mind?
Just interested,
Gary
 
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