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[Russ Chewning]

I like Shane a lot and think he's the best player out there right now, but Corey doesn't need to stop by every ATM if they are going to play rack your own 9 ball. All he needs to do is stop by my house. You guys might need to stop by the ATM. Woof.

I watched the TAR match race to 100 in 10 ball, and to me, it seemed that Shane had a more consistent break, in power, exact point he was intending to strike the 1, and CB positioning.

I think that assuming Corey is anything better than 50/50 against Shane in 9 ball is not taking the relative skillsets into account. From what I saw, Shane was very close to being as creative as Corey. He CERTAINLY was getting out more often "when he was supposed to", and was making more balls than Corey.

Do you seriously think Shane hasn't racked for himself thousands of times to get his own "rack you own" dynamics down?

Don't get me wrong, I personally thought that Corey's outs looked a lot "easier" in the 10-ball matchup, but let's be honest here. In that match, Shane had a lot stronger mental game.

Shane is capable of bringing his best for a good, long time, and especially when he needs it. Corey seems to be easily distracted. I don't know whether it is because of interests in his life outside of pool, but it looks like Corey doesn't come to the table at the beginning of a match as hungry and confident as Shane.

Against someone of Shane's caliber, you need to bring your A-game from the very first ball. Another thing to look at: Shane doubled Corey's score in the TAR match early on, and then Corey got a chance. Corey won like 7-8 games in a row. What did Shane do? Got up there and shot Corey's nuts off, AFTER Corey won like 7-8 games in a row.

Even against someone as horribly strong as Corey, Shane was giving no chances for 7-10 games at a time. He'd let a ball leak out on an end-to-end safety, Corey would run 2 racks, play a mediocre safet, and Shane would kick into a dead-nuts saefty, then lock Corey down for another5-8 racks, using packages and lockdown safeties.

I dunno. I think it would be a good match, but after the beatdown Shane gave him when Corey looked to be playing fairly well, I don't really think Corey wants any part of Shane in 9 or 10 ball. I mean, CRAP, Shane's liable to make 2-3 balls every time, with perfect position on the 1 70% of the time playing rack your own 9 ball.

Russ

Russ

 

[Cookie]

I watched the TAR match race to 100 in 10 ball, and to me, it seemed that Shane had a more consistent break, in power, exact point he was intending to strike the 1, and CB positioning.

I think that assuming Corey is anything better than 50/50 against Shane in 9 ball is not taking the relative skillsets into account. From what I saw, Shane was very close to being as creative as Corey. He CERTAINLY was getting out more often "when he was supposed to", and was making more balls than Corey.

Do you seriously think Shane hasn't racked for himself thousands of times to get his own "rack you own" dynamics down?

Don't get me wrong, I personally thought that Corey's outs looked a lot "easier" in the 10-ball matchup, but let's be honest here. In that match, Shane had a lot stronger mental game.

Shane is capable of bringing his best for a good, long time, and especially when he needs it. Corey seems to be easily distracted. I don't know whether it is because of interests in his life outside of pool, but it looks like Corey doesn't come to the table at the beginning of a match as hungry and confident as Shane.

Against someone of Shane's caliber, you need to bring your A-game from the very first ball. Another thing to look at: Shane doubled Corey's score in the TAR match early on, and then Corey got a chance. Corey won like 7-8 games in a row. What did Shane do? Got up there and shot Corey's nuts off, AFTER Corey won like 7-8 games in a row.

Even against someone as horribly strong as Corey, Shane was giving no chances for 7-10 games at a time. He'd let a ball leak out on an end-to-end safety, Corey would run 2 racks, play a mediocre safet, and Shane would kick into a dead-nuts saefty, then lock Corey down for another5-8 racks, using packages and lockdown safeties.

I dunno. I think it would be a good match, but after the beatdown Shane gave him when Corey looked to be playing fairly well, I don't really think Corey wants any part of Shane in 9 or 10 ball. I mean, CRAP, Shane's liable to make 2-3 balls every time, with perfect position on the 1 70% of the time playing rack your own 9 ball.

Russ

Russ

WELL DONE..........

 

[BPG24]

Are there matches on tonight?

 

[Craig]

I'm not sure I follow your comment. The 1 ball and wing ball are the two most frequently pocketed on the break. The balls behind the one are the least frequently pocketed...except the 9 ball.

Assuming the opponent racks the balls, the weight ball would never be placed in the wing position because that would be a significant advantage to the breaker getting the weight.

Similarly, the person getting the weight who is racking for the opponent doesn't want the opponent to pocket the weight on the break so he would never place the weight ball at the wing position.

Placing the weight ball(s) behind the 1 ball is therefore done without negotiations and are placed there because as noted above, those balls are among the least frequently pocketed on the break...except the 9 Ball.

Regards,
Jim

Rack the Live ball behind the ONE ball in second position on either side behind the one ball break from the opposite side the LIVE ball is racked on and the ball goes cross side, Im not saying the percentage is real high but get the right break speed down and the ball goes.

 

[av84fun]

Rack the Live ball behind the ONE ball in second position on either side behind the one ball break from the opposite side the LIVE ball is racked on and the ball goes cross side, Im not saying the percentage is real high but get the right break speed down and the ball goes.

Craig, anything is possible. Yes, the ball behind the one on the opposite side of the break shot does go toward the 2nd diamond and can possibly go cross-side.

But in Upscale Nine Ball, Jack Koehler states that the shot goes "rarely."
(page 70)

Far better, IMHO to focus on getting the one or wing ball to go so that you stay at the table rather than trying to focus on a very low probability shot.

But as I stated, most matches involve the opponents racking for each other. In that case, the breaker doesn't control where the balls are racked.

Having said that, if my opponent racks my weight ball opposite of where I normally break (from the right) I'll break from the left because, as you stated, the shot CAN go.

Regards,
Jim

 

[catpool9]

Rack the Live ball behind the ONE ball in second position on either side behind the one ball break from the opposite side the LIVE ball is racked on and the ball goes cross side, Im not saying the percentage is real high but get the right break speed down and the ball goes.

Use inside english......!......it does work!


David Harcrow

 

[corvette1340]

I watched the TAR match race to 100 in 10 ball, and to me, it seemed that Shane had a more consistent break, in power, exact point he was intending to strike the 1, and CB positioning.

I think that assuming Corey is anything better than 50/50 against Shane in 9 ball is not taking the relative skillsets into account. From what I saw, Shane was very close to being as creative as Corey. He CERTAINLY was getting out more often "when he was supposed to", and was making more balls than Corey.

Do you seriously think Shane hasn't racked for himself thousands of times to get his own "rack you own" dynamics down?

Don't get me wrong, I personally thought that Corey's outs looked a lot "easier" in the 10-ball matchup, but let's be honest here. In that match, Shane had a lot stronger mental game.

Shane is capable of bringing his best for a good, long time, and especially when he needs it. Corey seems to be easily distracted. I don't know whether it is because of interests in his life outside of pool, but it looks like Corey doesn't come to the table at the beginning of a match as hungry and confident as Shane.

Against someone of Shane's caliber, you need to bring your A-game from the very first ball. Another thing to look at: Shane doubled Corey's score in the TAR match early on, and then Corey got a chance. Corey won like 7-8 games in a row. What did Shane do? Got up there and shot Corey's nuts off, AFTER Corey won like 7-8 games in a row.

Even against someone as horribly strong as Corey, Shane was giving no chances for 7-10 games at a time. He'd let a ball leak out on an end-to-end safety, Corey would run 2 racks, play a mediocre safet, and Shane would kick into a dead-nuts saefty, then lock Corey down for another5-8 racks, using packages and lockdown safeties.

I dunno. I think it would be a good match, but after the beatdown Shane gave him when Corey looked to be playing fairly well, I don't really think Corey wants any part of Shane in 9 or 10 ball. I mean, CRAP, Shane's liable to make 2-3 balls every time, with perfect position on the 1 70% of the time playing rack your own 9 ball.

Russ

Russ

Racking your own 9 ball is entirely different that 10 ball. Corey can soft break and then dot, dot, dot. The last time these two played this way, Corey gave him the 8 and torched him even though Shane was beating everyone else on the same table. Granted, that was over a year ago, but everyone sure is willing to just throw out the fact that Corey has been one of the best money players and player in general for a long time. I know Corey and he is a great competitor and has a lot of heart. He seems a bit aloof at times and probably doesn't concentrate on pool as much as he needs to <---massive understatement, but he's still got more talent than anyone out there. If this ever goes off then I will give you a courtesy bet Russ out of the goodness of my heart.

 

[DGunter]

Racking your own 9 ball is entirely different that 10 ball. Corey can soft break and then dot, dot, dot. The last time these two played this way, Corey gave him the 8 and torched him even though Shane was beating everyone else on the same table.

I learned a very important lesson that night. Never bet against Corey when he racks his own balls.