Teacherman

[watchez]

Teacherman had every chance in the world to stay on the site.

How many different times did he hammer the point home about his feelings on the Viking Tour? And in how many different threads? And how many times must I ask someone to back off on that sort of behavior before they finally get the point?

The mass PM was the final straw. He had to know it was going to happen when he pulled the trigger on the mass PM.

As surprising as this may be to some people, I don't like banning people from the site (well ok, maybe I enjoyed one person) but it is behavior like Teacherman's that got playpool.com's forums to where they were. I won't allow that to happen here.

Mike

Mike, it is more than obvious that you have a close connection with Mike Janis & the Viking Cue tour. That being said, no I won't post what Mike did to do to intentionally hurt Teacherman here in the St. Louis market but I think you should ask Mike Janis for an honest answer. I would be happy to send you a PM to let you know the situation & let's see if Janis tell's you the same story. Mine is the truth.
The next point: Teacherman might have been a little harsh for some eyes but would you like for me to post all the negative things people said about him....most were crude, rude, and childish. I don't believe Teacherman got into name calling. But those that did are still here and not issued a warning. The only time a warning came out was when I found out the real business practice of the Viking Tour & put a question to Janis in the form of a PM. Mike, this is your site and you can run it as you please. But if you are going to be a judge, please judge fairly---meaning BOTH SIDES.

Thanks for listening.

 

[watchez]

Curious Mike. What about Watchez?

Okay, what about me? The truth hurts??

 

[watchez]

I had to add a post from another thread that relates:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjack
Hey... let it be me...
Mike, Your decision to ban Teacherman was wrong. ,,,,,This is why the sport gets nowhere. Its just politics. Business as usual. You fit right in.



when the dust settles and we eulogize(as we do every year) about the demise of pool and all the things that have gone wrong for the past 100 years, i'm sure the decision to ban teacherman will rank as the quintessential example of what's wrong with pool.

 

[bruin70]

i don't agree with censorship, though i don't consider this ban as censoring,,,,but mike IS the boss and he has to maintain some control before it all gets lost and az turns into some of the other boards.

 

[cueman]

When your mom or dad says keep on and you are going to get a spanking. If you keep on you get a spanking. Mike is mom and dad around here. Teacherman was warned a few times that it was coming if he didn't quit. Hard to feel sorry for someone who begged for it even after a few warnings.

 

[Jon]

When your mom or dad says keep on and you are going to get a spanking. If you keep on you get a spanking. Mike is mom and dad around here. Teacherman was warned a few times that it was coming if he didn't quit. Hard to feel sorry for someone who begged for it even after a few warnings.

I agree Chris.

I'm suprised Mike hasn't gotten any calls from the ACLU yet

 

[lukeinva]

I agree Chris.

I'm suprised Mike hasn't gotten any calls from the ACLU yet

I work for the ACLU and I am currently putting my case together!!


Luke
ACLU Attorney General
Please contact me at deadgirlsdontsayno@yahoo.com if you would like to help with the case.

 

[Cue Crazy]

I don't get to catch everything, and miss alot, but I liked to read his thoughts on the game as well, I always love to hear thoughts on game play that hits home. I also caught some of what was going on recently, and how It was coming up in other threads.

I think the issue was not letting It drop. I have to aggree that the young-ins in My family were brought up the same way . The ol fasioned way. Have It out if you must, but get It over with, let It go, and meet in the middle afterwards, or aggree to disaggree If that's what It comes to in the end. If not, then the issue is handled from the higher rank, and you did'nt want that.

It's nice when people work things out between theirselves, at some point you have to let It go, and make the best of It. I just don't understand how people don't learn that with age. I was very hardheaded when I was younger, and many around Me the same way, but like to think I have come along way in dealing with My problems reasonablysince then. There are only a few things in life worth going to the end with, the rest is all BS and not worth the fight IMO, seen too much of that in my life. I have no idea what was really going on, so don't know which side I would take, Only thing I can say is being asked to cut It out once should have been enough. I just feel for Mike for having to make a desision like that. Sorry to hear you had to do that Big brother, must have been a tough one to make. If He had 2 warnings then don't know what other choice you had, sometimes laying down the law is a tough job. Kind of like being a foreman, sometimes you have to let people go you like.

I will miss reading his posts, Guess this meens Blackjack needs to step up posts on his thoughts Impressed by his thoughts also, Need to hear some more of that mind set stuff. Alot I heard hits home in how I have delt with mindset problems in that past, but need to hear some more i have'nt figured out yet.





Greg C

 

[bigoldfatgirl]

more regional tour police needed

Not sure who elected him the regional tour police, but he took his position a little too seriously.
Mike

Not serious enough as far as I'm concerned. You have obviously not had the pleasure of listening to numerous "tour directors" give their sales pitch on what wonders will be lavished on my poolroom if their tour would grace my establishment.

Last week it was a Great Lakes WPBA Pro qualifing tour. Being female, I would love to promote women's pool but I'm not putting up $1100 and tying up my Gold Crowns for 2 days with promises of blue skies. (and a "$500" cue that I can try to sell).

Thank goodness Teacherman spoke out. Can't believe you cut him off and leave those "teenage boy dirty/giggle talkers" continue on the other threads.

Viking tour hasn't contacted me but I'm very curious to hear from them.

A legitiate promotion or another bloodsucker?

What say you Mark Jarvis?

Chesterfield Billiards
Chesterfield, MO

 

[Hal]

I tend to agree with the DOZENS of people that have already said it: If his tour was SOOO BAAADDD, he would not have repeat events and would not have lasted as long as he has.

 

[JAM]

...Viking tour hasn't contacted me but I'm very curious to hear from them.

A legitiate promotion or another bloodsucker?

What say you Mark Jarvis?
Chesterfield Billiards
Chesterfield, MO

I think you meant "Mike Janis," who is the Viking Tour tournament director.

Mark Jarvis is a pool player, who had a speaking part in "The Color of Money." A family man who works for a living, he has recently made his presence known on the tournament trail and is playing GREAT!

Mark Jarvis is the guy in the middle, between Earl and Keith!

JAM

 

[Rickw]

It seems to me that everyone who has been banned has been warned to chill out and refused so sayonara and goodbye.

He seemed like an intelligent guy but, like others before him, he ended up becoming a nuisance.

This is Mikes' site, and it's the best site, so keep on doing your thing the way you see best AZhousepro.

TAP TAP TAP!!!

 

[FLICKit]

He just couldn't help but run everyone the wrong way in order to try to make a point.

Woo hoo! Teacherman's pissing contests are now over!!! Maybe now we can get to better levels of discussions on this board, without him hijacking every thread. This board will definitely be better served without his juvenile pissing contests. Posters will rejoice and praise the banning of Teacherman. If he can't control his attitude then there's no place for the "burn out boy" on this forum. He has had every chance and opportunity to repent his evil ways.

On behalf of many, we say goodbye and good riddance to Teacherman!!!

Three cheers... Hip hip hooray!!!

 

[jjinfla]

I see a trend here. Home owners, the people who have their money at stake, are behind Teacherman. Pool players, people with barely enough money to come up with entry fees, and have nothing at stake, are behind Janis.

I'll bet the pros who play in the Viking Tour really love it, easy pickings for them. And the suckers keep coming.

But it is a contract between the TD and the room owner and it is up to them to work out the details. It should be nobody else's business what the profit/loss is. It should be understood that a TD does it to make money. All the players should concern themselves is how much is paid to the winners. If they don't like the odds, then don't play. If they like the odds then accept it.

Jake

 

[bigoldfatgirl]

I see a trend here. Home owners, the people who have their money at stake, are behind Teacherman. Pool players, people with barely enough money to come up with entry fees, and have nothing at stake, are behind Janis.

I'll bet the pros who play in the Viking Tour really love it, easy pickings for them. And the suckers keep coming.

But it is a contract between the TD and the room owner and it is up to them to work out the details. It should be nobody else's business what the profit/loss is. It should be understood that a TD does it to make money. All the players should concern themselves is how much is paid to the winners. If they don't like the odds, then don't play. If they like the odds then accept it.

Jake

You got it.......

Just remember, it would be best for pool if all involved (TD, poolroom, player) could benefit, then there would be many tours and growth for the industry.

Thanks for the correction JAM.

 

[chefjeff]

I tend to agree with the DOZENS of people that have already said it: If his tour was SOOO BAAADDD, he would not have repeat events and would not have lasted as long as he has.

So the judgment of whether something is good or bad rest on how long it lasts?

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

If you want a complete description of someone like TM or FL someone posted this website
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
a few points mentioned about these type of posters:
"craves attention" "delights in sowing discord" "tries to start arguments and upset people" "impervious to criticism" "not bound by rules of courtesy" "cannot be changed by mere words" "deperately seeking attention"
etc.etc.
(snip)
Wayne

Hasn't this link been posted before? And it is still bullshit. Let it go, Wayne....right?

Honesty in the pool world had better "crave attention," or else we're stuck in losersville forever.

Honesty is often misdiagnosed as "sowing discord" by those who refuse to give up their mystical ways.

Honesty never "starts arguments"; it highlights the intiation of trouble by the dishonest.

Honesty only "upsets people" who are dishonest.

Honesty, by nature, is always "impervious to criticism."

Honesty "cannot be changed by mere (dishonest) words."

Honesty still exist, regardless of "how bound to the rules (sic) of courtesy" it is.

Jeff Livingston

 

[drivermaker]

As I see this whole deal...here's the bottom line.

Even prior to this thread, Teacherman had a forum style that could get under someone's skin real fast so he probably didn't have his share of friends to begin with. Maybe in time members would have gotten used to it, and maybe not.

However, both Janis and Teacherman were doing their job and protecting their best interests. It was a great exercise in seeing it from two different perspectives.

Mike Janis is TRYING to do a good job for one and all, but it hasn't been perfected yet, and certainly not for the RO in ALL instances. He should be praised for his hard work and efforts to expand pool tournaments throughout the country. It's a tough road to hoe in a tough industry.

Teacherman is a RO that knows the ins and outs of where each and every dollar is going when promoting a tournament and running a PROFITABLE room.
Some of the fees involved, compensation, and use of room time doesn't necessarily add up or make sense for ALL room owners at ALL times.

It was a business negotiation on here between the two of them. Negotiations and selling aren't always the most gentlemanly acts that transpire between individuals. It was brutally honest at times and the personality factor came into play among the other members. Those that had it out for Teach were even more vocal toward his viewpoints.

Love him or hate him...which really shouldn't matter regarding the information that was being dispensed, none of it was a lie. There could have actually been some lies by omission on the Viking Tour side. The fees issue STILL has to be a bone of contention for ALL Room owners, now and in the future.

Teacherman could be very curt and a pain in the arse from time to time, but he was honest. He never did any name calling or heavy duty cussing which is usually one of the first things that set off the forum police when they wish to add some new ingredients into controlling someone that they dislike or find offensive.

What he was guilty of was trying to illustrate his points too hard and expose the problems "behind the scenes" of holding a tournament as a RO. I guess he also picked the wrong guy to torque off, namely Mike.

He's gotten under my skin, but then again I get under a lot of others myself.
Mike, if you're reading this...my vote goes to let him come back. Do what you want from there, but how can you punish honesty and conviction in what they know to be fact?

 

[watchez]

Originally Posted by Vonn31
I tend to agree with the DOZENS of people that have already said it: If his tour was SOOO BAAADDD, he would not have repeat events and would not have lasted as long as he has.

So the judgment of whether something is good or bad rest on how long it lasts?

Jeff Livingston

I wasn't going to post on this topic any more cause it falls on deaf ears but this shallow argument used by many that if it is so bad, why do people continue to go to the tournaments or host them? I will tell you why...out of pure ignorance. They don't know any better & aren't smart enough to realize it. How many comparisions, even outlandish ones, do you want me to make? Why do people continue to smoke & drink if they realize it hurts them? Why do fat slobs continue to eat when they know they are overweight? Why do people continue to go to casinos when they keep losing & know they can't win? Why do people give their hard earned money to a church that is already full of money just because of some fear of a god? Why did Hitler, Castro, Hussein, Osama have so many followers when what they were & are doing is so wrong? So please don't tell me if something is so baaaaaad why do people continue to do it or follow it. People simply don't know beter & are happier when they are doing what they are told, especially in mass group situations.

 

[watchez]

As I see this whole deal...here's the bottom line.

Even prior to this thread, Teacherman had a forum style that could get under someone's skin real fast so he probably didn't have his share of friends to begin with. Maybe in time members would have gotten used to it, and maybe not.

However, both Janis and Teacherman were doing their job and protecting their best interests. It was a great exercise in seeing it from two different perspectives.

Mike Janis is TRYING to do a good job for one and all, but it hasn't been perfected yet, and certainly not for the RO in ALL instances. He should be praised for his hard work and efforts to expand pool tournaments throughout the country. It's a tough road to hoe in a tough industry.

Teacherman is a RO that knows the ins and outs of where each and every dollar is going when promoting a tournament and running a PROFITABLE room.
Some of the fees involved, compensation, and use of room time doesn't necessarily add up or make sense for ALL room owners at ALL times.

It was a business negotiation on here between the two of them. Negotiations and selling aren't always the most gentlemanly acts that transpire between individuals. It was brutally honest at times and the personality factor came into play among the other members. Those that had it out for Teach were even more vocal toward his viewpoints.

Love him or hate him...which really shouldn't matter regarding the information that was being dispensed, none of it was a lie. There could have actually been some lies by omission on the Viking Tour side. The fees issue STILL has to be a bone of contention for ALL Room owners, now and in the future.

Teacherman could be very curt and a pain in the arse from time to time, but he was honest. He never did any name calling or heavy duty cussing which is usually one of the first things that set off the forum police when they wish to add some new ingredients into controlling someone that they dislike or find offensive.

What he was guilty of was trying to illustrate his points too hard and expose the problems "behind the scenes" of holding a tournament as a RO. I guess he also picked the wrong guy to torque off, namely Mike.

He's gotten under my skin, but then again I get under a lot of others myself.
Mike, if you're reading this...my vote goes to let him come back. Do what you want from there, but how can you punish honesty and conviction in what they know to be fact?

Over 8,000 views to Teachermans & my post, something that brought up a valid point and raised the thinking power of this group. But that is something we don't want?? I personally think Teacherman was, in AZ Mike's mind, barred before the warning was given. Any little slip of not acting like a choir boy and he was gonna be gone. AZ Mike has still not responded to my bringing up if there is a financial connection between him and Mike Janis. AZ Mike, tell me that what Mike Janis tried to or did do here in the St Louis pool market was not wrong? If it is RIGHT, then let me post what he did. I only posts truths. How is it any different from LilJohn posting on here that someone might be a thief?