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StormHotRod300 said:
Yea i give him a chance, the same chance as i have of winning a IPT tournament ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sure he will win a game or two, but he will get smoked.
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Although I can honestly say I have never rooted for, or been a Sigel fan- the window would be open if they said he couldn't 2 or 3 in the match! Whether you like him or not, he will go down as one of the all time greats. Check his record in tournament final matches. NO ONE has a better record.
 
Cool Cat at 70,Nick,Mike,and Efren. Experience counts. Just because you are old does not meen you can't play at the highest levels. All of you be watching this years DCC billiard event,as a 92 year old will compete,and I give him a better than average chance to finish in the money. This guy moves like no one and at 92,no one will believe their eyes! Go George,I'm in your camp. STB
 
Voodoo Daddy said:
6 guys fighting for a chance at Sigel & 200K...they can all play, they can all win on any given day. BUT...I would think that Sigel doesnt wanna see "BATA" walking down the isle at him for the $$$!!! The closer of all closers, possibly the best all around player in the bunch and without question the guy thats won the most BIG dollar matches. Both he & Sigel are 50+...what more could you ask for, I'm rootin' for Efren!!!
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Actually, in his earliest days as a competitor in the US, Efren Reyes finished second quite a bit. The reason was that he had a very tough time beating the guy who was, so often, waiting for him in the finals of some pro events...............Mike Sigel.

Sigel is a proven champion, and won't be scared of anyone. He will be an underdog in the finals because he hasn't competed seriously since the early 1990's, and for no other reason.
 
marlon and Efren.

It's going ot be whoever wins between Marlon and Efren. Marlon just beat out Varner 8-1, and Efren just beat out Mika, 8-3.
 
Hey, if Ray Martin can last this long I'd say you can't write off Siegel. The odds are against him but on any given day...........
 
I wasn't counting out Sigel.

pawnmon said:
Hey, if Ray Martin can last this long I'd say you can't write off Siegel. The odds are against him but on any given day...........
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I'm just saying that it's between Marlon and Efren as to who will play him. I won;t say Sigel can't win, especially with the amount of respect that Efren has for him. Over coming mental obstacles is the most difficult part of the game, but at the same time when the big money has been on the line Efren rarely dissappoints.
 
dream match

What pool fan doesn't want to see an Efren and Sigel final? That is the dream match, what pool fans of the last twenty years have been fantasizing about. It can be legendary. Sure, Manalo is the hottest player on the planet, but wouldn't you rather see the two old timers, arguable the two greatest pool players of all time, duke it out once again after over a decade hiatus?

I'm not counting Sigel out. He's a bulldog, and he'll certainly rise to the challenge, whomever he plays. However, he will definitely bring his BEST game if he faces Efren, since such a match can be the benchmark in determining who is the GREATEST of all time. Sigel won't back down, and neither would Efren.

Statistically, it seems that Manalo has the edge to make the finals. However, don't forget that Efren beat Manalo in the final of last year's WPA World 8ball. Manalo might have the best pocketing skills and position play right now, but Efren has the intangibles of 20 years of championship experience.
 
Mike Sigel ran out nine racks or so out of the 22 that were played in the exhibition match. He still has what it takes to win. Mike is essentially going in with little pressure as he can just pick up another 100 grand while his opponent is going to have all the pressure on him to beat Mike after getting through all the rounds.

This might be the toughest pool tournament of the modern era. I say that because straight pool tournaments used to be round robin 500 point blocks that lasted for weeks.

Anyway, Marvelous Marlon Manalo looks to me to be the heir to Phillipine pool throne. What a breakout year!

Notice that Busta really stepped up his game as well. Tough action all the way around.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
Mike Sigel ran out nine racks or so out of the 22 that were played in the exhibition match. He still has what it takes to win. Mike is essentially going in with little pressure as he can just pick up another 100 grand while his opponent is going to have all the pressure on him to beat Mike after getting through all the rounds.[...]
John
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If Sigel had to endure a round robin with the stupendous six, I'd say he had no chance. But getting right into the finals, he certainly has a chance. At the same time, I'll give up two-to-one odds if you want Sigel for the tournament John.

Both will have pressure in the finals. I disagree with you that Sigel has less. I think he has more. Also, I have the accustat tape from a few years ago where Sigel was trying to make a comeback of sorts playing in the 14.1 tournament in NY. It is kinda painful to watch. Sigel looks like he feels a lot of pressure. He is playing John Schmidt in that match. Now I know people talk about Schmidt as a good 14.1 player. But in that match, Schmidt doesn't look to me like a strong straight pool player. There's a lot of cueball motion, and good shotmaking saved him on several occasions.

This is the match where Sigel is holding his stick vertical, butt on the floor, when something bad happens. The tension all unloads on his forearm, which yanks the stick toward the ground, breaking the shaft.

I think he's gonna feel some pressure.

mike page
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It always surprises me how much people seem to underestimate Sigel's abilities. Even at his age with the little competitive pool he has played in the last few years, he's Mike Sigel- one of the most knowledgeable and dominant players ever. And one of the greatest finals players ever. I have to admit that I think he looked terrible in the match with LJJ. If he can get himself under control and get his confidence going early, I would put all of my VBucks on him to win.
 
sjm said:
Actually, in his earliest days as a competitor in the US, Efren Reyes finished second quite a bit. The reason was that he had a very tough time beating the guy who was, so often, waiting for him in the finals of some pro events...............Mike Sigel.
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I guess if it was 15 years ago I would have a different opinion. Since its not, while one man made cues and caught bass the other was winning and winning....just my two pennies.
 
Marlon is playing great and there is no doubt about that. However, I would not bet anything against Mike for winning a match against anyone in the world including Marlon.
 
JLW said:
It always surprises me how much people seem to underestimate Sigel's abilities. Even at his age with the little competitive pool he has played in the last few years, he's Mike Sigel- one of the most knowledgeable and dominant players ever. And one of the greatest finals players ever. I have to admit that I think he looked terrible in the match with LJJ. If he can get himself under control and get his confidence going early, I would put all of my VBucks on him to win.
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I think there are a lot of newbies to pool on here who didn't get a chance to see the Mike Sigel of old. He won everything in sight. If he showed up to a tournament, it was expected that he would win it....and he did......over 100 times. Who else can say that? Mike plays his best under pressure. Be aware that the player who goes up against him "knows" about Sigel and wouldn't think of taking him lightly. Mike has always had a way of coming through in the clinch. Do you remember just a few years ago he came out of retirement to play in the Senior Pro 9 ball tournament? Well..he won it, said it was still too easy, and retired again. That is classic Mike Sigel. Age does not matter. Irving Crane won 5 world championships in straight pool in 5 different decades. If Mike is in stroke and using all of this time to practice and relax...my money is on him.
 
billiardspro said:
does anybody even give siegel a chance against any of the remaining six players....I DONT .....but thats just my opion
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If he wins the required amount of games before his opponent does, yes, I give him a chance....If he does not win the required amount of games before his opponent does, no, I give him no chance...

"And that is the truth"....:)
 
For heavens sake

You talk about Sigel like his time is long gone. HE IS
ONLY IN HIS 40'S, EFREN IS 51. I don't know about you,
but I hit a hot streak in my 40's when I took 9th in singles
8 ball at the VNEA International Championships with over
1,000 entries. Quit talking about Sigel like his time is done,
some of the best players ever shot their best in their 40's
and early 50's. Once you reach a certain level, to get back
to it is not learning only 'tuning' your game back up.

I think with Sigel and Efren both on their games, it would be
a match made in heaven to watch.
 
absolutely.

Snapshot9 said:
You talk about Sigel like his time is long gone. HE IS
ONLY IN HIS 40'S, EFREN IS 51. I don't know about you,
but I hit a hot streak in my 40's when I took 9th in singles
8 ball at the VNEA International Championships with over
1,000 entries. Quit talking about Sigel like his time is done,
some of the best players ever shot their best in their 40's
and early 50's. Once you reach a certain level, to get back
to it is not learning only 'tuning' your game back up.

I think with Sigel and Efren both on their games, it would be
a match made in heaven to watch.
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I think this may be one of the best matches we may ever see. Expecially with the attitudes out there Mike is a has been. Of all the people that could have made it to the finals I think Efren would be the one that Mike would have the best chance against. Not because Efren isn't the better player, but because how important the Mental placement is in a match like this. To be in that mental zone necesary to pull off a victory you have to believe that you are the best, and some of Efren's big losses in finals were to Mike. HE's GOING TO REMEMBER those losses when he's playing him. If anyone can overcome that it's Efren and my money's still on Efren, but this is going to be an exciting match and I wouldn't expect a shut out by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Wow...

I wonder where the winning percentages were as "BATA" won twelve straight...seeing it was a lopsided deal he pulled up some to let the "KING OF THE HILL" save some face. Cant argue that at one time Mike Sigel was the man to beat but NOW...when its showtime and for the BIG prize, Efren reigned supreme. Hope the Sigel fans arent on suicide watch for too long, LOL!!!


Voodoo~~all in fun but I am rubbin' it in just a 'lil bit :cool:
 
I guess I was wrong. Sigel has "no chance" against these top players any more. That's why, next year, I'm thinking I should receive 10 to 1 on the money each time he plays one of those players that he has no chance against. What the hell? I'll donate. :D
 
It's after the fact at this time but I always gave Sigel a good chance to win no matter who he played. In pool you can never count anyone out especially a person with credentials of a Mike Sigel. As for the poster who said that Efren would be replayinig his previous loss'es to Sigel he doesn't really know Efren. Efren on a pool table is always in the "moment." Efren, unlike a lot of other pros, still loves to play! Whe he is in So. Calif and at Hard Times he hangs around and plays pool. He may be playing a local just for the hell of it and maybe giving 12 or 15-3 anf you can tell while watching that he is having fun.

Apparently when he is at home that is enough to recharge his batteries. When he comes back he is always a favorite for the $. I wonder how long we will be into nest year before someone posts that he is not as much a factor any more. I seem to read that every here every year, and probably that might be true sooner than we might care to think---but not yet.
 
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