Test / Report ur table speed !

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mamics

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Hi All,

Its still a bit of a rough test - any suggestions on improving the method would be great !

My Table Specs & Speed.

** 5 rails (just) @ approx 18 MPH **

9 foot Chinese ? table
1 inch slate.
Uylin Rubbers
Simonis 860 cloth
3 bolts per rail

Method:
Using the break speed app - I measured my break speed (maximum) hitting from the head string into a ball on the foot spot.

Then tried to replicate this same break speed (hitting with my maximum power in my case) but without the ball on the foot spot - and see how many rails are made...

Comments / your results on your table ??

Thanx
Cheers.
 
mamics said:
Hi All,

Its still a bit of a rough test - any suggestions on improving the method would be great !

My Table Specs & Speed.

** 5 rails (just) @ approx 18 MPH **

9 foot Chinese ? table
1 inch slate.
Uylin Rubbers
Simonis 860 cloth
3 bolts per rail

Method:
Using the break speed app - I measured my break speed (maximum) hitting from the head string into a ball on the foot spot.

Then tried to replicate this same break speed (hitting with my maximum power in my case) but without the ball on the foot spot - and see how many rails are made...

Comments / your results on your table ??

Thanx
Cheers.
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The only problem I could see with this is that if I hit the cue ball into the rail as hard as I can (as in top break speed) there is no way it would stay on the table.
 
You know the trick shot where the guy banks across the table and catches the cueball as it rebounds off the rail into the air?

I want videos made mandatory during the performance of this speed test. It may not be today, tomorrow, this month... but at some point, somebody is going to catch a cueball to the face.
 
Is there a standardized test that anyone can perform with readily available equipment?

One way to do it would be to place two cues side-by-side to form an inclined channel. Place the cues lengthwise on the table with the tips at the center of the table and the butts on top of the foot-rail (creating an incline).

Roll a ball down the incline from the foot-rail (don't push the ball down the incline; just lift your fingers and let gravity do the rest).

Measure how far back up the table the ball rolls after striking the head-rail (one diamond? two diamonds? more?). You might have to move the cues out of the way if the balls rolls more than three diamonds.

This will measure the combination of cloth speed and rail speed.

The results should be comparable for equal-sized tables. You couldn't compare a 9-ft to a 7-ft because of the obvious difference in diamond length...and the shorter table will create a higher incline. But equal-sized tables should be pretty comparable.
 
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DallasHopps said:
You know the trick shot where the guy banks across the table and catches the cueball as it rebounds off the rail into the air?

I want videos made mandatory during the performance of this speed test. It may not be today, tomorrow, this month... but at some point, somebody is going to catch a cueball to the face.
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That's exactly what I was thinking!

On a more serious note I seem to remember someone having the idea to set a triangle rack on its side and hold the cue ball at the top of the rack and let it roll down the incline, into the rail and back to where it started and measure the distance (longways on the table of course). This would give you a vague idea of speed from one table to the next.
 
Cdryden said:
The only problem I could see with this is that if I hit the cue ball into the rail as hard as I can (as in top break speed) there is no way it would stay on the table.
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Always used low running English and never(almost) had a ball come off the table - 11rails
 
Cdryden said:
The only problem I could see with this is that if I hit the cue ball into the rail as hard as I can (as in top break speed) there is no way it would stay on the table.
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LOL - yep good point - I was just using my break speed cause it was a little easier to try & be consistent with my (wimpy) hitting speed.

If you can make a reliable 18 MPH stroke - please post me ur results. :-)

Cheers
 
DallasHopps said:
You know the trick shot where the guy banks across the table and catches the cueball as it rebounds off the rail into the air?

I want videos made mandatory during the performance of this speed test. It may not be today, tomorrow, this month... but at some point, somebody is going to catch a cueball to the face.
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Did I mention that my test also waives my liability to any and all injuries or property damage resulting from said test ! :-D

18 MPH is a good speed for this test - I dont recommend hitting with ur break speed if ur a 20MPH+ breaker ! :-D
 
jasonlaus said:
Always used low running English and never(almost) had a ball come off the table - 11rails
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11 rails ? Are you serious ??

Crikey ! :-)

9 foot table ?
table & cloth specs ?
how fast are you hitting it to get 11 rails ?

Cheers.
 
jasonlaus said:
Always used low running English and never(almost) had a ball come off the table - 11rails
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Can't get 11 rails on a 9ft pool table without the help of a billiard cloth for speed;) and the table HAS to bank long, or there's no chance even with a billiard cloth;)
 
I made 8 rails ... after my next door neighbor came over and threw the cue ball back at me and it landed on the table and it went another 7 rails.
 
25 MPH break...

I'd be lucky to get two rails. Most likely I'd get one rail, and a face full of cue ball.

I'd shoot it in slow motion but I'm too scared.

:)

When we have a group dental plan for amateur pool players, I'll give it a shot.
 
Here's the tool..

Made specifically to test tables for cloth speed, rail bounce and level
 

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joelpope said:
Made specifically to test tables for cloth speed, rail bounce and level
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Yeah stip meter - awesome for testing cloth speed & level (roll off) - and great for testing rail bounce (at very slow speeds),

I guess rail bounce at slow speeds *should* be proportional to rail bounce at high speeds ? (maybe, maybe not ?)

ie. how much does the rail mounting hardware and subrail mass, density & bevel angle affect bounce at very slow speeds compared to bounce at medium to high speeds ? (and cushion nose height also for that matter)

I'm sure I'm over thinking all of this at the end of the day - LOL.

Cheers.
 
mamics said:
Yeah stip meter - awesome for testing cloth speed & level (roll off) - and great for testing rail bounce (at very slow speeds),

I guess rail bounce at slow speeds *should* be proportional to rail bounce at high speeds ? (maybe, maybe not ?)

ie. how much does the rail mounting hardware and subrail mass, density & bevel angle affect bounce at very slow speeds compared to bounce at medium to high speeds ? (and cushion nose height also for that matter)

I'm sure I'm over thinking all of this at the end of the day - LOL.

Cheers.
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you are... :)

it is a game, supposed to be fun

if the table sucks, it is not as much fun but what are you going to do... quit playing?

I have a well set up, well maintained table at home but it does me no good where I play most of my pool witch is in pool rooms with equipment that is not as nice as mine... again, do I quit going to pool rooms or just shrug my shoulders and deal with it (and of course blame every miss on the inferior equipment)
 
mamics said:
Yeah stip meter - awesome for testing cloth speed & level (roll off) - and great for testing rail bounce (at very slow speeds),

I guess rail bounce at slow speeds *should* be proportional to rail bounce at high speeds ? (maybe, maybe not ?)

ie. how much does the rail mounting hardware and subrail mass, density & bevel angle affect bounce at very slow speeds compared to bounce at medium to high speeds ? (and cushion nose height also for that matter)

I'm sure I'm over thinking all of this at the end of the day - LOL.

Cheers.
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a serious response to your question about rail bounce.

They are not talking about the way a cue ball goes airborne after impacting a rail due to speed, spin or improper rail installation. They are talking about measuring the distance the cue ball rebounds off of a rail e.g. an overall speed of cloth / rail measurement

It can be affected by any number of things, this is a general tool
 
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