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[vapoolplayer]

A very high percentage of the top players drop their elbows.

After years of compensating and adapting their stroke to overcome the flaw!

Zim

if the stroke is straight, and the ball has already left the tip of the cue when the elbow starts dropping.................then what did they have to adapt too?????????

VAP

 

[pete lafond]

thats funny, in question number 18, they ask which kind of "english" will deviate the 90 degree angle...........

and the answer is

a. follow (top spin)


thats funny, seeings how straight topspin is NOT english........

what a bullshit quiz.

VAP

In my opinion anytime you hit the cue ball anyplace you impart english. I think they should define english this way period.

 

[Zims Rack]

In my opinion anytime you hit the cue ball anyplace you impart english. I think they should define english this way period.

Why call it english, just spin. Top spin, bottom spin, left spin, right spin, etc...


Zim

 

[Zims Rack]

if the stroke is straight, and the ball has already left the tip of the cue when the elbow starts dropping.................then what did they have to adapt too?????????

VAP

I'm sure there was some adjusting in their stroke to get the timing just right to contact the CB in the "sweet spot" of the stroke.

Zim

 

[Fred Agnir]

A very high percentage of the top players drop their elbows.

After years of compensating and adapting their stroke to overcome the flaw!

Zim

People say this all the time, but I think in the dropping elbow, a case can be made that this is a perfectly acceptable technique.

I'm no kinesthiologist or physiologists, but dropping the elbow allows for more power, if power is what people are looking for. It's a natural happenstance, which is why so many people do it. Fighting to keep the elbow up is really "adapting and compensating" when compared to the body's natural movement.

When people talk about "less movement is better," the same people say "a loose wrist gets best results." There's a reason why the body will want more movement: because the body can get speed and/or power easier. And if you fight your body's natural movements to get more speed and/or power, is that really a good thing? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Note: I'm just talking about power and speed. I'm not talking about control or consistency.

There's really more discussion on this subject than can be done on one of these boards. I invite to look me up and we'll talk about it.

Fred <~~~ it's all about expanding one's comfort range.

 

[Fred Agnir]

Am I the only person on this board that scored a 100%?

The question about the deviation from 90 degrees didn't give using draw as an one of the options. This is another way to get the cue ball to deviate off the tangent line. Use follow to go longer than 90 degrees and use draw to go less than 90 degrees.

Russell Killgo

Anyone could score a 100%. But some of the questions are wrong to begin with, so did you really score 100%?

Again, it is perfectly acceptable to drop the elbow. There are no rules against it. And there are people who teach it. So, the question was wrong to begin with.

Congratulations.

Fred

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Again, it is perfectly acceptable to drop the elbow. There are no rules against it. And there are people who teach it. So, the question was wrong to begin with. ...

But the web site has an out -- they refer to the specific course the questions were used in. It's like other quizzes that start, "According to a recent article in 'The National Enquirer,' which Hollywood celebrity is actually a space alien from ..."

I got 90% and I think I missed exactly the two questions I expected to. Does that give me a 100?

 

[Bob Jewett]

In my opinion anytime you hit the cue ball anyplace you impart english. I think they should define english this way period.

Side spin and draw/follow cause very different things to happen that relate directly to play. I think you need to separate them in discussions. I usually try to be specific, but I think using "english" to mean side spin and not draw or follow is a good start. Lots of other people have adopted this way of speaking, so even if you don't agree with it, you need to realize that such usage is common.

 

[vapoolplayer]

In my opinion anytime you hit the cue ball anyplace you impart english. I think they should define english this way period.

no offense.........but it doesn't matter how you define it. the universal definition for "english" is sidespin.

it makes more sense everywhere else but the U.S. because they call it "side" which is closer to the defintion.


i always just refer to it as "sidespin" so i don't confuse anyone.

VAP

 

[Bob Jewett]

A very high percentage of the top players drop their elbows.

After years of compensating and adapting their stroke to overcome the flaw! ...

Well, maybe, but... Can you name any top player -- except for the one already mentioned -- who does not drop his (or her) elbow on power strokes? If you cannot name any other player, then maybe there is a reason that they do drop their elbows -- nearly every one.

Of course, it is dangerous to argue by "everyone does such-and-do" especially if the statement doesn't even apply to a majority, but I think my observations are extensive and careful enough to at least put them out there and invite contrary observations.

 

[Fred Agnir]

And for extra credit on the quiz, which one top player almost never drops his elbow? (I suppose there could be more than one, but of the ones I've watched for elbow drop, only one stands out.)

Buddy Hall? Karen Corr?

Allison drop hers on power shots, especially the break.

 

[randyg]

Here we go!

There are three types of elbow drops. Two are very dangerous and one that dosn't make any difference at all....SPF-randyg

 

[Captain]

People say this all the time, but I think in the dropping elbow, a case can be made that this is a perfectly acceptable technique.
Fred <~~~ it's all about expanding one's comfort range.

I agree, Fred. During the last week I've watched tapes of Rempe, Souquet, Lee Kun Fang, and Takahashi--all elbow droppers from hell--and I don't think their technique handicaps them in any way.

Some well-known instructors teach a no-drop stroke, but they may do so at least partly because a no-drop stroke is relatively easy to teach and learn, and enables beginners and intermediate players to pocket balls and move the cb with some consistency.

AS

 

[Purdman]

80%

I got 80 %. I think that means I got all the answers correct. Can't beat that guys.
Purdman

 

[pete lafond]

no offense.........but it doesn't matter how you define it. the universal definition for "english" is sidespin.

it makes more sense everywhere else but the U.S. because they call it "side" which is closer to the defintion.


i always just refer to it as "sidespin" so i don't confuse anyone.

VAP

Yes, it would make more sense. Right spin and left spin have the same effect on the same shot when your hitting the object ball on the right side or the the object ball on the left. I use the terms inside and outside english in describing this as it leaves no confusion. By definition of "english" it is incorrect to specify draw as english. I ignore this and always specify draw as low english and follow as high english. Middle ball is no english even though you affect spin by delaying it. Bottom line incorrect or not to me its all english and when I specify it to someone they are never confused. This in itself makes it a better definition.

 

[DoomCue]

Yes, it would make more sense. Right spin and left spin have the same effect on the same shot when your hitting the object ball on the right side or the the object ball on the left. I use the terms inside and outside english in describing this as it leaves no confusion. By definition of "english" it is incorrect to specify draw as english. I ignore this and always specify draw as low english and follow as high english. Middle ball is no english even though you affect spin by delaying it. Bottom line incorrect or not to me its all english and when I specify it to someone they are never confused. This in itself makes it a better definition.

There is plenty of confusion for the terms inside and outside when talking about sidespin. The main problem is that "inside" and "outside" are relative terms, so without more information, inside and outside mean absolutely nothing. Since the terms are relative to cut angle, without a reference to cut angle, inside and outside are non-sensical terms. I've heard inside/outside terminology applied to spin off rails (wrong - running and reverse are the usual relative terms for spin off rails), as well as straight-in shots (wrong - no cut angle, so there's no such thing as inside/outside). I hear too many players using the terms incorrectly; I just wish they would stop altogether. Stick to simply left side or right side and you can't go wrong.

 

[DoomCue]

So Bob, who was the non-elbow-dropper? I'm guessing it's a player with a snooker background, so I'll go with Steve Davis. That is purely a guess, though, since I don't think I've ever seen a player who doesn't drop the elbow (which, as we all know, is "unacceptable"....).

 

[pete lafond]

There is plenty of confusion for the terms inside and outside when talking about sidespin. The main problem is that "inside" and "outside" are relative terms, so without more information, inside and outside mean absolutely nothing. Since the terms are relative to cut angle, without a reference to cut angle, inside and outside are non-sensical terms. I've heard inside/outside terminology applied to spin off rails (wrong - running and reverse are the usual relative terms for spin off rails), as well as straight-in shots (wrong - no cut angle, so there's no such thing as inside/outside). I hear too many players using the terms incorrectly; I just wish they would stop altogether. Stick to simply left side or right side and you can't go wrong.

Straight? You must mean when "throwing the ball". Thats a different term. Using the term "english" on all rotations is the point I was making. High, low, left and right. Whether right or wrong, I use the term "english" on all of these because they all impart spin and everyone knows what is being said.

 

[Hal]

So Bob, who was the non-elbow-dropper? I'm guessing it's a player with a snooker background, so I'll go with Steve Davis. That is purely a guess, though, since I don't think I've ever seen a player who doesn't drop the elbow (which, as we all know, is "unacceptable"....).

Tony Robles

 

[hard2ctrl]

Take responsibilty

Am I the only person on this board that scored a 100%?

The question about the deviation from 90 degrees didn't give using draw as an one of the options. This is another way to get the cue ball to deviate off the tangent line. Use follow to go longer than 90 degrees and use draw to go less than 90 degrees.

Russell Killgo

Russell,

Anyone could score a 100% on a test where the questions are correct, but only YOU, Russell Killgo can make 100% on a test where some of the questions are wrong to begin with. Congratulations!

I am NOT A “PROFESSIONAL POOL PLAYER”, but have played since I was 12 and I agree with Fred.

Russell, maybe if you would TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR DAUGHTER , your pool playing would go better. Or maybe it is just time to get a real job and start supporting your child.

Matt