Testing your system

I like this one,

"Do not speak - unless it improves on silence."

By the way CJ answered your question about what is a medium hit, in post 903 of the John Schmidt Cory Deuel Comments on Aiming thread. I thought I would refer you to this again, as I know how much you disdain reading replies from us mere students.

You should really print out his reply to you and frame it.

cjssecrets4u2 said:
I could make several comments, but I'll limit it to two: and a half ;)
1) Using spin to change the natural angle makes Pool a guessing game....you may guess right quite a bit and that will make for a pleasant day, but inconsistency will creep in when you least expect or want it. Also when you're spinning (even slightly) shots a lot it forces you to hit many different speeds....a moderate speed would be better....one that goes 1.5 table lengths on a 9' table with a reasonably new Simonis cloth.
2) You mentioned a round object doesn't have sides and you are correct...I have ALWAYS imagined the balls as FLAT, almost one dimensional to be able to "connect the dots" in my Connection (aiming) System. Anytime I see them as round it makes it not only more difficult to connect them, but also difficult {for me} to see how to break up clusters.[/QUOTE




duckie said:
This thread really is to show the weakness in making generalized statements and test results about shot making in pool.

Generalized statements such as "Thin cut shots are easier with draw", "CIT/SIT happens on all shots", "Use inside, aim for the side of the pocket" "Use xxx in order to place my left foot", " You need to use a bridge placement of xx from CB" and so on.

Never has anyone asked what the weight of the balls or what type of material they were made of when preforming these lab test. Nor if they were clean or dirty.The type and age of the cloth being used for these tests. All these things matter in how a ball reacts, in how you do things on the table during a live match, not always under ideal conditions or always under certain conditions. The test really shows what is happening for that set of balls, for that table, for that players medium hit(which is undefined).

This whole thread is to give those new players that read this stuff or those that just might not being buying that current snake oil on the market a different point of view than those that making generalized statements about shot making and offer up test results under such limited conditions that do not even become close to what is mostly experienced during real play.

How a system works under stress is just as important on how well it works under ideal conditions. I provided shots to stress whatever system you use. If you do not practice these types of shots and get real comfy with them, you will always fear them when they show up during competition. You do not always have a choice on the shot that is left you. Players will put the CB in the most awkward places place on the table because, well, because it is awkward.

Since Zen quotes are being used "The perfect way is only difficult for those who pick and chose. Do not like, do not dislike; all will be clear. Make a hairbreadth difference and heaven and hell are set apart; if you want the truth to stand clear before you, never be for or against. The struggle between "for" and "against" is the mind's worst disease."

Or how about "All vague notions must fall before a pupil can call himself master" Way too many students on here and very few masters.
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BeiberLvr said:
Kudos to all of you for having such patience with this guy.
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Can't help but feel that Greg really wants to get better, and has a desire to pass on what he has learned so far. Problem is, he doesn't listen to his own advice. He is dead stuck in that his way is the only way, and everything else is snake oil. When he finally gets around to actually "hearing" the quotes he puts up for the rest of us, and actually starts to open his mind to other and maybe better ways, THEN he will finally progress in the game.

He's got to get off his hero worship of Cranfield, and be open to other knowledge.
 
Neil said:
Can't help but feel that Greg really wants to get better, and has a desire to pass on what he has learned so far. Problem is, he doesn't listen to his own advice. He is dead stuck in that his way is the only way, and everything else is snake oil. When he finally gets around to actually "hearing" the quotes he puts up for the rest of us, and actually starts to open his mind to other and maybe better ways, THEN he will finally progress in the game.

He's got to get off his hero worship of Cranfield, and be open to other knowledge.
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Agree 100%. I have a feeling that Greg, in his HAMB sessions, will either try something he read (presumably sourced from Cranfield), or else "stumble into" something, that just "works," and being a QA Tester (where you don't argue with nor analyze details -- "it either works, or it breaks"), he adopts the mindset that, since it "works," therefore "it's the only correct way."

Obviously, that's a very myopic view that will hobble one's abilities to acquire new knowledge -- including those "blow your mind" tidbits that completely change your game and get you through those plateaus.

-Sean
 
Thought this needed a bump since there are a few that might want to really test there aiming methods.

When you start playing the other games of pool, you will start to see the weakness of most of aiming systems.

I keep bringing up a rail first first for the CB. Using the double the distance method as aiming. This requires having a direct path to the OB. But sending the CB to the rail first, how can double the distance be used?

The importance of a CB rail first is that this type of shot gives you more options of the angle off the CB. Also, it can give you a win when somebody tries to block a shot on the 8 ball by placing a ball between the CB and 8 ball.

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duckie said:
Thought this needed a bump since there are a few that might want to really test there aiming methods.

When you start playing the other games of pool, you will start to see the weakness of most of aiming systems.

I keep bringing up a rail first first for the CB. Using the double the distance method as aiming. This requires having a direct path to the OB. But sending the CB to the rail first, how can double the distance be used?

The importance of a CB rail first is that this type of shot gives you more options of the angle off the CB. Also, it can give you a win when somebody tries to block a shot on the 8 ball by placing a ball between the CB and 8 ball.

As example

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I will give you $1,000,000 (in Wheat Bucks) if you show me how you practice and make this shot with the arrow. By now you should be SO PROFICIENT with the arrow that we can put up this shot in several variations and using the arrow you should be able to make each one in say three attempts.

Are you willing to accept the challenge of testing your own "system" with this shot you posted? If so then I will diagram ten shots on the Cuetable and all you have to do to get $200 real dollars is post a video of you making each shot within 3 tries. I will even allow you to use as many arrow training devices as you want.

I am sure your were a great QA man. However as a pool player you have a LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG, did I say LONG road ahead of you to become any good based on your postings to date.
 
I believe sometime ago he described how he used the arrow for these shots.

One goes on the OB ball to show the contact point, the other he guesstimates where on the rail it needs to go based on the angle in and out so he has a (duckies favorite words) real world spot to aim at.

Now I ask you, does this sound like what someone would do after practicing an average of 4 hours a day, every day a year?

It does not to me.


vapoolplayer said:
Apparently him don't know there are systems for these types of shots as well.

Wait......you mean you can use more than one system playing pool??!! Say it ain't so......
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He truly believes that you can use ghost ball for everything.

He just needs enough paper arrows for each rail.

Spin, gosh knows......for him everything is trial and error.
 
duckie said:
Thought this needed a bump since there are a few that might want to really test there aiming methods.

When you start playing the other games of pool, you will start to see the weakness of most of aiming systems.

I keep bringing up a rail first first for the CB. Using the double the distance method as aiming. This requires having a direct path to the OB. But sending the CB to the rail first, how can double the distance be used?

The importance of a CB rail first is that this type of shot gives you more options of the angle off the CB. Also, it can give you a win when somebody tries to block a shot on the 8 ball by placing a ball between the CB and 8 ball.

As example
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im sorry i havent read this thread in its entirety:o:o
but id like to comment on 2 issues
this link shows how you use double the distance to make the 8 ball
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/banks_and_kicks.html#contact
also uses ghost ball for contact point
seems the ghost ball part was an issue
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im sorry i know i should have read the whole thread but maybe someone would give me a quick summary
please:grin:
 
There is nothing of value to be learned by this thread.



bbb said:
im sorry i havent read this thread in its entirety:o:o
but id like to comment on 2 issues
this link shows how you use double the distance to make the 8 ball
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/banks_and_kicks.html#contact
also uses ghost ball for contact point
seems the ghost ball part was an issue
:confused:
im sorry i know i should have read the whole thread but maybe someone would give me a quick summary
please:grin:
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I tested my system last night at APA Masters. I ran two racks out of 7 and won 7-1.
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Since no mechanical bridge can be used and you did not specify a pocket, I'll choose to bank once back. Assuming decent and standard equipment. Test case will be with CTE PRO ONE. From the photos I'll make a reasonable guess at the correct visuals: 1st shot, CTEL-B inside. 2nd shot, CTEL-B inside. 3rd shot, thin C outside. 4th shot, CTEL-B inside. If you are proficient with CTE that's all you need to know to put the ball in the hole.

Now explain what you will do to shoot those with GB. :thumbup:
 
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DTL said:
Me.....Retired Naval Officer. :)
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Assuming you're offering this info on topic with the discussion, isn't it odd that Greg offered the Sea Dart as a "looks good on paper, but fails in real life" example?

To wit, post #32 in this thread:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3772969#post3772969

::face palm::

-Sean <-- sometimes reminisces and wishes he HAD retired from the Navy (really misses going underway; never thought he'd say that). But then again, the civilian employment opportunities presented at the time were just too good to turn down.
 
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