Thanks to AZB and the BCA

Your just full of sunshine kisses and rainbow farts today aren't ya JB?

Not on this subject. There is no room for Pollyanna wishful thinking on this one.

The only reason to spend money "helping" professional pool players would be to get something in return. As an investment.

I don't see the return on investment here.

If we are going to spend money on the travel for American professionals so that they can afford to compete abroad then why not spend the money on American businesses so that they can afford to travel to other countries and compete abroad?

I mean if I said to you that OB Cues would like to go to Shanghai and present their shafts to get into the Chinese market and would you be so kind as to donate some money towards that goal then I'd be laughed off the board.

Being a professional pool player means you do it as your job to earn your living. Along with that comes the expenses that every other professional in every other profession has to face.

Now, Jerry rightly pointed out that players have always received stipends from the BCA. He says I should learn my history. Well I don't know where I should have learned this from but it does not matter. As a former BCA voting member I was not aware of these stipends and I don't remember seeing them listed as a line item on the BCA's annual report. Doesn't mean they aren't there just that I didn't notice them if they are.

I have to wonder though if the membership would have voted to spend money on sending players abroad when pool is down at home? Remember this is the SAME organization that thinks it's a GOOD idea to allow any other sport and game and activity to buy a booth at their annual show and advertise to the visitors to that show. Hence the BILLIARD Congress of America puts on a Home Recreation show where they ENCOURAGE any company selling any activity to display. So visitors are pitched on Ping Pong tables, video games, video poker, golf simulators, foosball, spas, shuffleboard, poker, and probably several others I missed. Do you think that all the salespeople are not trying to convince the visitors that they can make more money per square foot if they put in those activities/sell those tables/games????

So now all the money is gone, the BCA's members have left, no one sees any value in it after they destroyed their own show and they go out begging for sponsors to toss a few bones into a side pot to send professional players to tournaments where they are up against hordes of local talent put in by the host organizations and promoters.

The players freely admit that there isn't much incentive to practice due to the low amount of good paying events in the USA. So we are then sending players who don't care to practice to events in foreign lands where they are ill prepared to fade the time differences/culture difference and tough competition?

I asked several people who have the means to INVEST in players why they don't back players for these events? I mean I certainly think that we have players who COULD compete. I said back an actual team, build a training facility and get them sharp.

You know what they said?

American players are lazy.

American players are lazy.

American players are lazy.

I said but if they had the opportunity to get together and practice then they would toughen up and get REALLY sharp.

They said American players are lazy and not worth the investment. How harsh is that?

I mean there are few people on this board more optimistic than me when it comes to believing in the potential that people possess.

IF I were very very wealthy then I might toss a couple million towards trying to build a super team of American players just to see if my ideas work or not. But the people I talked to about doing this (names withheld to prevent more controversy) who have the money to do it all don't think it's a worthwhile investment.

So why should I think that asking people to donate money to a travel fund for the pros is going to be any different? I certainly didn't know the BCA was providing money for the pros to travel and apparently it hasn't mattered at all since the pool player's jetsetting lifestyle encouraging more folks to pick pool as a career path hasn't really happened so far. So I doubt it will happen in the future.

America still has the highest GDP in on the planet. The really sad part is when we have to beg our industry for bread crumbs to pay for flights and hotel bills and can't figure out how to sell this great game to corporate America so that we can have WPA events on American soil.

We have a league system that pumps MILLIONS into pool every week during league season. And yet we can't skim a little off that to INVEST in building a tour and holding world class events consistent without worrying about whether the promoter will pay or not?

So no, I am not full of sunshine. I have a TON of respect for the professional players. They do put up with a lot to play pool for a living. But I also know that they could all do more for themselves that would in turn do more to promote pool. Baking a bigger pie is much better than begging for crumbs out of a continually shrinking one.

We may not have a lot of money but we have a hell of a lot of talent. If Frank Alvarez could get bookings for $1500 a night doing corporate exhibitions as a "UPA Pro" then there is no reason why REAL pros can't do the same. (I can beat Frank, sorry Frank but it's true.)

What professional players need is professional management and a professional work ethic to go with it. Every small businessman knows that he has to beat the street to drum up business. They don't need handouts, they need to work alongside the people who know the business to bring more people into the game. That takes two things that professional pool players have in abundance, immense jaw-dropping skill and time. If they won't use those assets then why should I care about donating so that they can go to foreign lands and spend time in 4-star hotels?

(hint: I stay in the same hotels they do)
 
"Pool is not Tennis" says Jerry Forsyth.

The question I have is why not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Tennis_Professionals

In every other endeavor in the history of the world current success is BUILT 100% on what came before. Every successful company copies what other successful companies do and they innovate from there and are in turn copied by others.

WHY ARE WE NOT COPYING TENNIS?

WHY ARE WE NOT COPYING GOLF?

Pool is not Tennis and it's not Golf.

Damn straight it's not, it's BETTER. BETTER. 1000s of x better.

Why?

Well to start with pool can be played competitively on equal terms by people as young as ten and as old as the player can still swing a stick.

It can be played competitively and at a world class level in the space of a living room.

It can be played any time in any weather all over the world.

It has a variety of games in it all of which can be credibly contested at world class levels.

It can be played at a world class level by men and women.

It has a worldwide following.

It has (in America and some parts of Europe) a functioning league system full of amateur players.

It has thousands of venues to play in from the corner bar to the upscale pool room.

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So WHY isn't pool like Tennis? Why can't we get organized to leverage the great things about pool?

Because at the end of the day we are small-minded and unwilling to give up the little bits of power we have carved out of this tiny industry. We are unwilling to put differences aside and all work together on one PLAN to start from the large base we already have and funnel that to a sharp and attractive tour worth aspiring to.

That's why pool will never be Tennis or Golf. Although pool COULD be bigger than both of them simply because pool can be EVERYWHERE and Tennis and Golf cannot. Every person can own a pool table or get easy access to one. Not so for Tennis and Golf.

So if we aren't as big as them then it's only our own fault.

See this:

http://tennislink.usta.com/Dashboard/Main/

Everything on it is about PLAYING TENNIS

See this:

http://home.bca-pool.com/

You have to HUNT to find anything about PLAYING pool.

Wait:

Here it is.............http://www.generationpool.com

And here is what's happening in the month of January 2012 http://www.generationpool.com/billiards-tournaments-and-events.php

And we can't figure out what's WRONG with pool in America??????
 
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"Pool is not Tennis" says Jerry Forsyth.

The question I have is why not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Tennis_Professionals

In every other endeavor in the history of the world current success is BUILT 100% on what came before. Every successful company copies what other successful companies do and they innovate from there and are in turn copied by others.

WHY ARE WE NOT COPYING TENNIS?

WHY ARE WE NOT COPYING GOLF?

Pool is not Tennis and it's not Golf.

Damn straight it's not, it's BETTER. BETTER. 1000s of x better.

Why?

Well to start with pool can be played competitively on equal terms by people as young as ten and as old as the player can still swing a stick.

It can be played competitively and at a world class level in the space of a living room.

It can be played any time in any weather all over the world.

It has a variety of games in it all of which can be credibly contested at world class levels.

It can be played at a world class level by men and women.

It has a worldwide following.

It has (in America and some parts of Europe) a functioning league system full of amateur players.

It has thousands of venues to play in from the corner bar to the upscale pool room.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

So WHY isn't pool like Tennis? Why can't we get organized to leverage the great things about pool?

Because at the end of the day we are small-minded and unwilling to give up the little bits of power we have carved out of this tiny industry. We are unwilling to put differences aside and all work together on one PLAN to start from the large base we already have and funnel that to a sharp and attractive tour worth aspiring to.

That's why pool will never be Tennis or Golf. Although pool COULD be bigger than both of them simply because pool can be EVERYWHERE and Tennis and Golf cannot. Every person can own a pool table or get easy access to one. Not so for Tennis and Golf.

So if we aren't as big as them then it's only our own fault.

See this:

http://tennislink.usta.com/Dashboard/Main/

Everything on it is about PLAYING TENNIS

See this:

http://home.bca-pool.com/

You have to HUNT to find anything about PLAYING pool.

Wait:

Here it is.............http://www.generationpool.com

And here is what's happening in the month of January 2012 http://www.generationpool.com/billiards-tournaments-and-events.php

And we can't figure out what's WRONG with pool in America??????

You're swinging for the fences and batting .1000 on this subject John.... The sound of crickets speaks volumes too.
 
Please. As if this would EVER be marketed as a lifestyle in any way that would move the public towards playing more pool. Not gonna happen.

Then pool is screwed. You might be right, but if you are then this sport is a lost cause because every sport in the world that is successful sells an image and lifestyle of its pros to the public.

Kids start playing golf because they want to be the next Tiger Woods, kids start playing tennis because they want to be the next Andre Agassi, kids start playing hockey because they want to be the next Wayne Gretzky or Sidney Crosbey, kids start playing basketball because they want to be the next Michael Jordan or Kobe, ect.... any sport is the same, hell kids play chess because they want to be the next Kasparov.

Now of course 99.9999% of those kids don't get there, they don't become pro players in their sport of choice but due to the early entry into the game they become connected to it and interested in it and it is these people that make up the majoritty of your fan base for the sport at the pro level. Pool atm does not have that much at all.

Pool NEEDS kids to want to be the next Shane Van Boeing, it needs kids to want to be the next Alex Pagulayan, but atm even a guy like Shane who is the top American pool player does not make the life of a pro player look too appealing, it looks like a struggle and hard work with little reward. Pool tournaments in the exotic locals don't even televise their events, and if they stream they never market the actual location of the tournament like Poker did, the first thing you ever saw when a poker tournament was starting was a cool picture of the Las Vegas Strip, a picture of the Eiffel Tower at night over Paris, or a white sand beach with palm trees and crystal blue water. Poker made you want to be there, it made you want to be a pro poker player and have that lifestyle and go to those cool places.

I am a huge pool fan, it is my favorite game. I would rather play pool then play golf, tennis, poker.

If I had a choice to be a professional in a sport? I would choose golf, poker, or tennis.

People always ask "why is pool so boring on TV?" "What game would make pool more exciting?" One of the biggest problems pool has is that no matter how exciting or interesting the game is the idea of being there and doing that and being one of those pros is not all that appealing, and that makes watching those pros FAR less appealing. You sit there watching them play the game, and there is no allure to that lifestyle that those pro players have. Poker is a boring bloody game to watch, but the allure of it on TV is large because of the image that pro poker portrays. People watch it because being a pro poker player looks like a pretty cool life.

Generally speaking entertainment sells dreams of interesting lives and activities, sports sell the image of a pro player which often includes wealth and celeb status and hot hollywood girlfriends, movies sell the image of being James Bond or Sherlock Holmes with the interesting world changing profession cool gadgets and being one of the toughest guys in the world, TV sells the interesting lifestyle of the genius IQ level crime scene investigator or a guy who lives with a hot chick and who dates a new super model every single week while almost never being shown doing an actual job.

Pool sells an image of professional players who struggle to make a living, win peanuts compared to almost any other pro sports, play in front of half empty bleachers, and who have NO celeb status whatsoever. Rest assured, that continues this sport is going nowhere.
 
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