The answer might be WPT?

vapoolplayer said:
Also, listen to what you just said "if I only have to get lucky a few times in a row to get LAST place....." You just helped my point. In pool you'd have to get very "lucky" just to place at the BOTTOM. Who wants to go spend money to try to get lucky to make a nickel??? Not very many people.....
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Yes, I'd have to get very luck to place at the bottom, in a field full of pros, and mostly pros. That's why I don't enter tournaments now. But we're discussing something different, I think. Something new. In a format similar to the WPT, there would be more placing spots than there would be pros. Leaving room for some of us mortals to snag up the crumbs.

I'm really basing my argument on The Renfro's confidence such a system would work mathematically, of which I haven't seen or know anything about, so it's a baseless argument without any real facts from my perspective. But your claim was that it would fail due to a lack of dead money. I think the dead money would be there, if the structure was right.
 
vapoolplayer said:
Lol.....PGA, NFL, NBA, MLB......when do they ever work with other leagues outside of their own? You don't help your competition.
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So in essence what you are saying is that you have no clue on how a feeder and or qualifying system works in sports. That's OK you really do not need to understand how it works. You just have to know that this is what it takes to make it work.
 
vapoolplayer said:
No offense.....but......no shit.

Millions(yes millions) of people play pool every year. People don't watch it for fun though. Figure out how to turn it into a spectator sport, and you're an instant millionaire almost.

But I can't think of any possible way to turn pool into a spectator sport big enough to make substantial profit.
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People are really sheeple. They will go where ever they are led. This has been proven many times over, from sports to politics. You tell someone something is good enough times, and they will start to believe it and even promote it.

Look at basketball, it's really a dumb sport if you are honest about it. Bunch of guys running back and forth throwing a ball into a hoop and they miss most of the time. But, we have been conditioned to believe it is a great sport. Same thing CAN happen to pool, but it takes a lot of money to start with to promote it constantly. Just look what the political races end up costing! There's your main obstacle- money to promote it constantly to the masses to change their minds.
 
A top down system does not work. As we have seen time and again in pool/billiards. If you have been in the sport any length of time you know this or it should at the least be painfully obvious (BCA, WPA, PBT, IPT, UPA). But hey, you are entitled to your opinion. I prefer to deal with facts instead of opinions.


vapoolplayer said:
I'm saying that your idea that everyone working together isn't realistic. There are feeder systems in sports/games, but they don't even attempt to compete with the league/organizations at the top of the heap. If they did, it would be suicide.

Before any "working together" or "feeding" can be done, one organization has to rise to the top.

"Working together" happens after an organization has taken over and the others have to find a way to support the larger organization or perish.

The feeders didn't just up and say "hey, I think I'll be the little guy and help players get good enough for the PGA." They weren't as successful as the PGA and eventually developed into feeders to sustain their existence.

If pool is to follow in other sports/games footsteps, one organization is going to have to clearly rise to the top, then the others will fall in line and become feeders for this organization.

Your claims that everyone can work together and form a system have no history of working in any other format, why would it happen in pool?
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vapoolplayer said:
Name one game/sport where all organizations/leagues/entities worked together on a national scale to achieve success???

Take MMA for example. The UFC is nothing but a single promoter. When have they EVER worked side by side with another promotion?

Pool's problem isn't just "people won't work together." Every other sport/game that has been successful has seen ONE organization trample the rest. They didn't work hand in hand, they took over their respective sport/game.

Pool has other issues just with general gameplay and/or spectator appeal, but the blanket statement "people should just work together," is entirely NOT the real answer. It sounds nice, but that's not how success is achieved in this world.

If Bonus Ball or any other entity in pool becomes super successful, it will be because the trampled the competition, took no prisoners, and made enough money for their players to make a living by SOLELY playing in their promotion. NOT because they sat around a fire holding hands with all the other pool promoters singing Kumbaya......
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You need to stop making all this sense. We dont need that around here.
 
It's easy to increase the variance in pool. Here:

9-ball, race to 1.

Bam. Variance. Any C-level player can win, but over time the best players are going to rise to the top.

Of course, all we hear from the pros is how they want to eliminate luck. Tight pockets, big tables, 10 ball, no soft breaks, longer races, etc., etc., etc. The poker mentality is the opposite.
 
Thanks for all the great input! What I am getting is pool is not popular enough to merit enough people to substantiate a multi-million dollar payoff like we see in the poker world. I get that. We as a pool community need to promote the sport. Just like poker has exploded in the last decade because of the money involved, could the money promote multiple people taking interest in pool? I see more poker rooms now than billiard, and am very impressed by how vastly it has grown over the last decade. I wish we could mirror that to gain the enthusiasm of some new blood.
 
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