I'm sorry if your 1 is running 5 or 6 balls at a time she is not a 1. unless 4 of the balls are sitting in the pocket. This was not the case she was making difficult shot after dificult shot. A true 1 should have a difficult time making any shot except maybe ones that are sitting in the pocket.
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Next, are you going to tell me that the two 2s that I've seen break n run before should have been 4s, but that the 5 that recently got her first break n run should be a 3? Sometimes people have really good/great days. If she's running 5 regularly as a 1, that's definitely a problem. If one time, at band camp, you saw a 1 run 5 balls, don't cry wolf. You need a little more info if you're going to put allegations like that out there.
He already said she won the 2 matches prior to that 19-1 and 17-3 and then her first match as a 2 19-1, right? Is it possible she just had a really great 3 days in a row? Sure, I guess? But I think it's okay to call a spade a spade in this case.
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So, you don't care to wonder if the other people couldn't shoot worth a damn those games or maybe she got all the rolls? That's why I think most people that cry over APA aren't worth listening to. I don't know all the facts, so I'm not jumping on the crybaby bandwagon.
You said it best when you said you don't know all the facts. Once you came to that realization, you should have left well enough alone. You didn't want to jump on the crybaby bandwagon but you had no problem at all disputing what was posted with some nonsensical BS that wasn't relevant at all to what was said. Good job. I do know the facts, I was there, as was the OP. I was watching 2 of her matches and have played extensively vs both of them. They can shoot worth a damn and they're both very solid at their SLs. But good job not jumping on the crybaby bandwagon, at least.
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No, I questioned what was posted. Now, if you want to go and actually have something done about your claim, get some freakin video proof or something or zip it, because nobody's going to care about one or two people complaining when there's not a single thing that they have to show anybody.
I'll repeat myself, too, in that I don't even listen to my friends cry about that stuff, because 99% of the time they don't know what the hell they're talking about.
Proud to be a part of the 1%. FWIW, it seems that you do care, or you wouldn't have wasted your time replying. And replying. And replying. But moreso, the OP was for people going to vegas, as a heads-up. I could be wrong, but I would have to think that anyone playing that team would like that information, and would probably "care".
Well, she did eventually go to a 2, but from what I understand... your rank in the APA might be influenced by how tough the room is. Meaning that not all 1's are created equal. A 1 in my room might play more like a 2 or 3 in someone else's.
Thinking about it though, seeing her get 3 balls per inning like 6 times in a row would be pretty impossible.
I agree. it doesn't sound like a one time deal lol Technically You could win the powerball two weeks in a row...but what are the odds.
absolutely right ..a nine her in little york pa may be no better then a 7 when you get to vegas.
i have the same opinion as you banks, case in point. this past weekend our 3 beat a 5 2-1 in i forget how many innings. normally this would raise some eyebrows because this 5 is pretty darn good but this just was not his day. between scratching and hooking himself he gave our 3 bih 5 times in 3 racks, with some excellent coaching every at the right times she was able to pull off the win and we qualified for the cities.
my other team went 2 and out in this same tourny. now i am not an official member of our handicap review committee, heck i dont even know if we have one but occasionally my lo asks my opinions of the accuracy of players skill levels from time to time. as a matter of fact he asked me last night my opinion of the losses of this team here. a 3 beat our 5 and a 4 beat our 6 and both games went pretty quickly.
i told him i thought the 3 who beat our 5 was a pretty decent 3 and a legit 3 that our 5 just played plain chitty. example, last rack my 5 was on his last ball and i knew he was going to scratch, before i could call time out sure enough he fired the shot 90mph , made his ball but scratched.. the 3 took bih and had a road map 4 ball run to win the match.
now the 4 beating our 6 is a different story.. i told the lo our 6 played very good but the 4 played impressive. i told him i would not say he was under handicapped but would be someone to watch. he just had excellent cue ball control for a 4. very good pattern selection also in choosing what shots to make and break out problem balls, something you dont normally see 4's doing, not in my area anyways.
That is why I wish they would include Ball In Hand on the scoresheet.
When we won our tri-cup last fall, our SL2 (at the time, sigh) beat the opposing teams SL4 quite well, enough that the opposing Captain started making noise to the LO. When the LO came over to check out the game, Ipointed out to him all the BIH's that our player had, he nodded and went back to what he was doing...
When we won our tri-cup last fall, our SL2 (at the time, sigh) beat the opposing teams SL4 quite well, enough that the opposing Captain started making noise to the LO. When the LO came over to check out the game, Ipointed out to him all the BIH's that our player had, he nodded and went back to what he was doing...
I'm glad most people here are skeptical about handicap complaints. The truth is, no league director is going to be able to accurately keep track of all players. Even when everyone is always playing to the best of their ability, there's just no way. This is a handicapped league which, by nature, is not fair. Will people take advantage? Sure. Will people be rated wrong? Absolutely. Will this ever change? No, not ever. There's only one way to beat the handicap-game and that's play in events that have no handicaps. The BCA and ACS have no handicaps and they're incredibly popular. In fact, the BCA event is pool's largest amateur event.
So, here's the deal. You can play APA your entire life. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, I've got over 300 matches in the APA and can say with all sincerity, I have a lot of fun playing bar pool in random bars throughout the city. OR, you can leave the handicap systems and come play in the BCA. It's hard. It's REALLY hard. In fact, it's probably the hardest event you'll ever play in against people you've never heard of before. You may not win any money but at least you'll have nobody but yourself to blame. That may sound lame but trust me, you'll sleep better knowing you just got beat instead of hustled.
So, here's the deal. You can play APA your entire life. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, I've got over 300 matches in the APA and can say with all sincerity, I have a lot of fun playing bar pool in random bars throughout the city. OR, you can leave the handicap systems and come play in the BCA. It's hard. It's REALLY hard. In fact, it's probably the hardest event you'll ever play in against people you've never heard of before. You may not win any money but at least you'll have nobody but yourself to blame. That may sound lame but trust me, you'll sleep better knowing you just got beat instead of hustled.
Jude,
The no handicap thing for ACS / BCAPL is only true at the Nationals for the greatest percentage of leagues. I'm sure there are local leagues which operate like the APA Masters concept but they are few and far between. Perhaps like yours. Most ACS leagues run on a highest player average of 10 to a low average of 6. At least the leagues in Rochester and Las Vegas operate in that manner.
Lyn
Lyn,
The standard BCAPLsystem is the 10 point system.
One point per ball with the 8-ball worth 3.
A win is worth 10 points.Most leagues - on the local level - are handicapped.
But when you come to nationals, they are broken into different divisions, and the play is scratch.
BTW - this thread was about a team that blatantly 'cheated' - and the BCAPL has banned them from our league systems.
Mark Griffin
(Most ACS leagues run on a highest player average of 10 to a low average of 6. At least the leagues in Rochester and Las Vegas operate in that manner.)
The standard BCAPLsystem is the 10 point system.
One point per ball with the 8-ball worth 3.
A win is worth 10 points.Most leagues - on the local level - are handicapped.
But when you come to nationals, they are broken into different divisions, and the play is scratch.
BTW - this thread was about a team that blatantly 'cheated' - and the BCAPL has banned them from our league systems.
Mark Griffin
(Most ACS leagues run on a highest player average of 10 to a low average of 6. At least the leagues in Rochester and Las Vegas operate in that manner.)
I'm not familiar with the way the ACS event operates, but I wouldn't say the BCAPL event has no handicaps. Don't they have multiple divisions for both teams and individuals? That's a form of handicapping, and I know for certain there are players and teams (some I know personally) in those tournaments who have no business playing in the divisions they play in. So I would say that even BCAPL has its cheaters. Sometimes they just blame their behavior on a language problem or something.
The only way to avoid cheaters is to play in a league where the absolute worst group of players has to play the absolute best group of players straight up, with no consideration given to the playing ability of any player. Good luck with that one. Even then, you'll probably face some cheaters, they just won't have to cheat on ability.
The only way to avoid cheaters is to play in a league where the absolute worst group of players has to play the absolute best group of players straight up, with no consideration given to the playing ability of any player. Good luck with that one. Even then, you'll probably face some cheaters, they just won't have to cheat on ability.
Thanks for the comment Mark. Just to show anything is possible, I played the last BCAPL / ACS session as a 10.5! At some points, I was an 11! Every time I won a game, my team lost a point in totals. Actually, my original comment was directed to Jude. He suggested there were NO handicaps in BCAPL / ACS league play.
Can not believe both the APA and TAP hid their heads in the sand over the cheating issue. As we have discussed this in private, you know my feelings on the issue. More people need to know this blatant cheating will be swiftly punished by the BCAPL / USAPL. Even if the creeps never play another match in your leagues, we know where you stand!!! Thanks.
Lyn
Operator,
You are absolutely correct. There will be cheating no matter what league you talk about. Just like players who "shark" other players to win. Or players who refuse to give up the cue ball after a flagrant foul. Or players who gamble refusing to pay after a loss. Nothing is perfect. Nothing. After nearly twenty years of playing BCA (PL) and ACS, think their approach is the best. Not perfect but the best. JMHO.
Lyn
I love handicap leagues. It gives everyone an even chance to win. You just have to know how to play the game with a game plan to win the money.
Everyone knows to win the money you got to have at least two people that are under handicapped. LOL...or just on the bubble.:thumbup:
Some people call it cheating and some people call it smart game plan or strategy. It's all fair when everyone knows the rules and how it works.
If you don't know how it all works...LOL------you will once you go play for the big bucks.:smile:
Everyone knows to win the money you got to have at least two people that are under handicapped. LOL...or just on the bubble.:thumbup:
Some people call it cheating and some people call it smart game plan or strategy. It's all fair when everyone knows the rules and how it works.
If you don't know how it all works...LOL------you will once you go play for the big bucks.:smile:
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Are you saying that it's only cheating if you get caught?
You know, USC tried a few 'smart game plans' last season..