The Ball Fell In ?????

[DrCue'sProtege]

i was playing some racks last night, and during one rack where i actually made a ball and had a shot, this happened.

the '2' ball was hanging in the pocket. if i would have breathed on it then it probably would have fell in. so i am ticked off that i have to play a tough draw shot on the '2' with it hanging in the pocket. i get ready to shoot, check where the '3' ball is, aim, and fire - and just as i shoot the cue ball, the '2' falls in! then, of course, the cue ball scratches right behind it.

that ever happen to anyone else?
whats the rule? rub of the green? breaks of the game?

DCP

 

[Nostroke]

i was playing some racks last night, and during one rack where i actually made a ball and had a shot, this happened.

the '2' ball was hanging in the pocket. if i would have breathed on it then it probably would have fell in. so i am ticked off that i have to play a tough draw shot on the '2' with it hanging in the pocket. i get ready to shoot, check where the '3' ball is, aim, and fire - and just as i shoot the cue ball, the '2' falls in! then, of course, the cue ball scratches right behind it.

that ever happen to anyone else?
whats the rule? rub of the green? breaks of the game?

DCP

My guess and that is all it is, you replace the 2 and shoot again. If it had fallen before you shot, it would get replaced. I can't see you being punished because it fell while you were in midstroke.

 

[matthew staton]

i was playing some racks last night, and during one rack where i actually made a ball and had a shot, this happened.

the '2' ball was hanging in the pocket. if i would have breathed on it then it probably would have fell in. so i am ticked off that i have to play a tough draw shot on the '2' with it hanging in the pocket. i get ready to shoot, check where the '3' ball is, aim, and fire - and just as i shoot the cue ball, the '2' falls in! then, of course, the cue ball scratches right behind it.

that ever happen to anyone else?
whats the rule? rub of the green? breaks of the game?

DCP

Good ? that realy sucks sounds like ya have bad luck....

 

[MacGyver]

I've had that happen when no one was even at the table.

8-ball; had a hanger, tough position for opponent so they took awhile planning a run.

Someone comes in the door, we both look up and the ball falls in with no one near it or touching the table(really well over 30 seconds have passed)... we figure it must have been the door, but anyway I get back up and run out, good times.

 

[mjantti]

If a ball drops into the pocket after being still for 5 seconds, it's replaced in the original position.

If a hanger drops in during a shot and cueball or one of the balls go near the hanger's original area, the balls are placed in their original positions and the shot is replayed. This means that if you shoot for instance a short stop shot and in the other end of the table a hanger drops in by itself, you are not allowed to replay, the hanger is just replaced.

 

[OldHasBeen]

I have always heard & played that .............

i was playing some racks last night, and during one rack where i actually made a ball and had a shot, this happened.

the '2' ball was hanging in the pocket. if i would have breathed on it then it probably would have fell in. so i am ticked off that i have to play a tough draw shot on the '2' with it hanging in the pocket. i get ready to shoot, check where the '3' ball is, aim, and fire - and just as i shoot the cue ball, the '2' falls in! then, of course, the cue ball scratches right behind it.

that ever happen to anyone else?
whats the rule? rub of the green? breaks of the game?

DCP

Once the incoming player approaches the table for his shot - anything that falls after that is re-spoted back.

TY & GL

 

[pete lafond]

i was playing some racks last night, and during one rack where i actually made a ball and had a shot, this happened.

the '2' ball was hanging in the pocket. if i would have breathed on it then it probably would have fell in. so i am ticked off that i have to play a tough draw shot on the '2' with it hanging in the pocket. i get ready to shoot, check where the '3' ball is, aim, and fire - and just as i shoot the cue ball, the '2' falls in! then, of course, the cue ball scratches right behind it.

that ever happen to anyone else?
whats the rule? rub of the green? breaks of the game?

DCP

To bad, you scratched and that is all. As soon as you shot what ever happens, just happens. You can not put it back because you already shot.

 

[jjinfla]

Once the incoming player approaches the table for his shot - anything that falls after that is re-spoted back.

TY & GL

Hey OHB, I actually saw that happen last year on the Florida Pro Tour. The ball fell as the incoming player was approaching the table. There was some discussion about 3 or 5 seconds having elapsed when they said as long as the incoming player was approaching the table the ball gets respotted. And they respotted the ball.

 

[Snapshot9]

Have to learn to ...

Shoot faster .... lol Respotting the ball can be a
problem sometimes if it is a money match ....
This is just one reason why to state and agree to
what rules you will be playing with before you start
playing, regardless of whether they are a friend or not.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ...

 

[OldHasBeen]

I agree - After a ball is shot.

To bad, you scratched and that is all. As soon as you shot what ever happens, just happens. You can not put it back because you already shot.

Pete - I was talking before the shot is shot - Once a shot is in motion - what ever happens, happens.

TY & GL

 

[mjantti]

To bad, you scratched and that is all. As soon as you shot what ever happens, just happens. You can not put it back because you already shot.

Nope. This is not correct. From the rules:

3.31 BALLS MOVING SPONTANEOUSLY
If a ball shifts, settles, turns or otherwise moves “by itself,” the ball shall remain in the position it assumed and play continues. A hanging ball that falls into a pocket “by itself” after being motionless for 5 seconds or longer shall be replaced as closely as possible to its position prior to falling, and play shall continue. If an object ball drops into a pocket “by itself” as a player shoots at it, so that the cue ball passes over the spot the ball had been on, unable to hit it, the cue ball and object ball are to be replaced to their positions prior to the stroke, and the player may shoot again. Any other object balls disturbed on the stroke are also to be replaced to their original positions before the shooter replays.

 

[LWW]

I would:

-call an exorcist.
-shoot with a silver cue tip.
-wear a piece of garlic around my neck.

LWW

 

[OldHasBeen]

Who's Rules?

Nope. This is not correct. From the rules:

3.31 BALLS MOVING SPONTANEOUSLY
If a ball shifts, settles, turns or otherwise moves “by itself,” the ball shall remain in the position it assumed and play continues. A hanging ball that falls into a pocket “by itself” after being motionless for 5 seconds or longer shall be replaced as closely as possible to its position prior to falling, and play shall continue. If an object ball drops into a pocket “by itself” as a player shoots at it, so that the cue ball passes over the spot the ball had been on, unable to hit it, the cue ball and object ball are to be replaced to their positions prior to the stroke, and the player may shoot again. Any other object balls disturbed on the stroke are also to be replaced to their original positions before the shooter replays.

Which one of the 2,000 or so governing bodies of pool says that stupid ruling?

TY & GL

 

[runall8]

happen to my team

i was playing some racks last night, and during one rack where i actually made a ball and had a shot, this happened.

the '2' ball was hanging in the pocket. if i would have breathed on it then it probably would have fell in. so i am ticked off that i have to play a tough draw shot on the '2' with it hanging in the pocket. i get ready to shoot, check where the '3' ball is, aim, and fire - and just as i shoot the cue ball, the '2' falls in! then, of course, the cue ball scratches right behind it.

that ever happen to anyone else?
whats the rule? rub of the green? breaks of the game?

DCP

this happen the other night during our 8 ball match...the guy (other team) shoots in the last ball before the 8 ball and kicks the 8 deep into the corner pocket..we all are waiting for it to fall..but it sticks..we call the guy shooting slooooow jimmy for you know what reason...as he gets ready to shoot (seems like 10 mins) a straight in 8 ball...it falls in...what do you do???..i say it is lost of game because he hasn't shoot at it yet...no rule in the book...they replace it and he shoots it in and wins...than laughs about how long it takes him to shoot it....bad decision...bad rule...should be lost of game.

 

[Rod]

i was playing some racks last night, and during one rack where i actually made a ball and had a shot, this happened.

the '2' ball was hanging in the pocket. if i would have breathed on it then it probably would have fell in. so i am ticked off that i have to play a tough draw shot on the '2' with it hanging in the pocket. i get ready to shoot, check where the '3' ball is, aim, and fire - and just as i shoot the cue ball, the '2' falls in! then, of course, the cue ball scratches right behind it.

that ever happen to anyone else?
whats the rule? rub of the green? breaks of the game?

DCP

First off it seems to me the rule has been around forever as mjantti has posted. A ball can not fall in without being hit by another ball. Second of all there is no such thing as a straight in shot especially in the jaws. It's not likely you had to face a tough draw shot, use the pocket. That being said, a ball in the jaws is considered one of the toughest shots in pool. Reason being most simply have no clue how to play position to anywhere on the table.

The only exception to the rule is, what happens if other balls are moved? If an agreement can't be made to the balls prior position then the game is replayed. If a ref is watching then it's his/her decision.

Rod

 

[mjantti]

Which one of the 2,000 or so governing bodies of pool says that stupid ruling?

TY & GL

The rules used in all major tournaments sanctioned by BCA and WPA. And I guess they cover a major part of major tournaments. Don't know much about the rules of APA or VNEA etc. Actually, don't care. I prefer the international rules which apply in international tournaments unless notified otherwise.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Which one of the 2,000 or so governing bodies of pool says that stupid ruling?

TY & GL

Well, I'd agree that the wording quoted is not particularly elegant, but the rule has been around for a long time. Here is the wording from the PBTA (Men's pro tour about 1990) rule book:

Settling into Place

A ball may settle slightly after it appears to have stopped, possibly due to slight imperfections in the ball or the table. Unless this causes a ball to fall into a pocket, it is considered a normal hazard of play, and the ball will not be moved back. If a ball falls into a pocket as the result of such settling, it is replaced as close as possible to its original position. If a ball falls into a pocket during or just prior to a shot, and has an effect on the shot, the referee will restore the position and the shot will be replayed. Players are not penalized for shooting while a ball is settling.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Well, I'd agree that the wording quoted is not particularly elegant, but the rule has been around for a long time. Here is the wording from the PBTA (Men's pro tour about 1990) rule book:...

I just checked and the PBTA wording is nearly identical to the proposed new revision of the BCA/WPA world rules (and not completely coincidently).

 

[Nostroke]

I just checked and the PBTA wording is nearly identical to the proposed new revision of the BCA/WPA world rules (and not completely coincidently).

I think it is a fine rule and perfectly logical too.