The Ballad of John and Lou, Part Two

Cory in DC said:
That's not how Lou escaped, but he did escape easily and ended up with a good position. From down 7-5 to down 6-5 and with all balls makeable in Lou's hole. That said, I think John won this game because the match score is 8-5 and the final score was 9-6.

See http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/45051262 starting at 1:56 (if you want to see how the layout came about; otherwise, start at 1:58:15).

Here's where the balls lay right after Lou's escape shot. It's John's shot and Lou's pocket is on the bottom-right of the screen (bottom left from the breaker's position):
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OK, so clearly I have the other, left, pocket.

Lou Figueroa
 
Koop said:
I have to admit, with all the bickering and sometimes name calling by me, Lou is a-ok in my book.
We met, shook hands, I gave him a couple of Yuengling's after night one, and came away thinking, he's not a bad guy afterall.
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oh, was that you?! Just kidding.

And thanks for the beers, Koop. They were great.

Lou Figueroa
 
wayne said:
According to Lou Dennis was coaching you on what to do while Lou was figuring out his shot. If so this guy Dennis would have to be the biggest genius in pool. He would have to determine what Lou was going to do (which Lou hadn't even determined), how well he would execute what he was planning to do, the end result of what Lou was going to do. Then based on all of this coach you on your next shot. The guy Dennis could make a fortune telling the future with these skills. LOL.
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A top one pocket player can put balls into positions where he "KNOWS" what the lesser player will choose to do, before the lesser player even grasps the layout of the table.

I'm talking in general.

I saw part of the match in person, and I couldn't tell what, if any, coaching was going on. I was simply not paying enough attention to see any coaching.

What I did notice is that Dennis was clapping loudly at every and any shot. Sort of like they used to have the audience do in the WPBA tournament.

I've done a lot of gambling in my local rooms, and I am not above pulling moves to get the cash. I've done the move of having my "friends" in my home room clap loudly for every shot I take. It can get to your opponent, for sure. I don't know if that was the game plan for Barton's team or not. But it just highly surprises me a top level one hole player would clap like a school girl on every shot, without some prior discussion on making that a "move".
 
iusedtoberich said:
Congratulations on the win Lou. A well played match, by both of you.

I was there in person to bet against Barton, but couldn't make it in time for the start, so asked Mikey if he could place a bet for me until I got there. I think we were all disappointed at the refusal of all the side bets.

I ended up playing a couple sets with Mikey a few tables away, so I did not watch the match very intently. However, I do recall John making a comeback. When the score was within one game around 6-5 or thereabouts, I thought John was going to get the win. The thing I look at when watching gamblers (that can play, which you both can) is their demeanor. At this stage in the match, John had a ton of energy, had a totally focused and determined look on his face. He couldn't wait to come to the table and shoot.

At this same time, what I noticed in your face was nervousness, and uneasiness. I don't mean this as an insult at all, but it almost looked like you wanted to cry. Again, this was just my observation from a couple of tables away. You had a completely different look on your face then when I first watched the match in person, when the score was something like 3-1 or so. I left after this point, and thought for sure the match was going to turn, due solely to the body language of you and John. I don't know if the cameras picked up on this or not.

All that said, you did real good to come back from that pressure of having a big lead, and then watching it dwindle to almost nothing. You worked through that uncertainty, and persevered.

One of the strongest things I've read on here I think was from Geno. He said something to the affect of "you can't practice for the finals of a tournament unless you are in the finals". Basically it means you can't practice a situation you have never been in, and you don't know how your body is going to react the first time you get in that situation (finals of the tournament, or a huge grudge match where the guy comes back on you, in this case).

So congratulations again on a well played match to you both, and to you Lou, for overcoming the various pressures, both internal and external, during the match.
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Thanks, iusedtoberich. What happened was I got tired. People that know me all said it to me after -- you looked beat. I probably should't have played the last game, especially since we were close to midnight and our agreed quitting time.

It all worked out though.

Lou Figueroa
 
iusedtoberich said:
A top one pocket player can put balls into positions where he "KNOWS" what the lesser player will choose to do, before the lesser player even grasps the layout of the table.

I'm talking in general.

I saw part of the match in person, and I couldn't tell what, if any, coaching was going on. I was simply not paying enough attention to see any coaching.

What I did notice is that Dennis was clapping loudly at every and any shot. Sort of like they used to have the audience do in the WPBA tournament.

I've done a lot of gambling in my local rooms, and I am not above pulling moves to get the cash. I've done the move of having my "friends" in my home room clap loudly for every shot I take. It can get to your opponent, for sure. I don't know if that was the game plan for Barton's team or not. But it just highly surprises me a top level one hole player would clap like a school girl on every shot, without some prior discussion on making that a "move".
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I think the loud clapping by Dennis, and John's wife, were a bit of psych warfare. But that kind of stuff just doesn't get to me, though they would have had no way of knowing that.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
OK, so clearly I have the other, left, pocket.

Lou Figueroa
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Sorry, I posted the wrong pocket as yours initially and then fixed it within less than half an hour, which I see has caused confusion. Your pocket was the left pocket from the breaker's perspective.
 
How did Gail like the hilarious voicemail from the "you two guys"?

I wanna hear it! I bet there was some hoopin and hollerin!

;)

Once again, congrats on not letting your nuggets get vacuumed up into your abdomen. Mine would've likely been absorbed up into my ear canals. Not many C players have the capability to fade $10K and a 32 year long circus. :thumbup: :wink:
 
JB Cases said:
Waiting for you to finish then it is my turn.

Dennis did not coach me. If he had of then you would lose every game. Instead you won more games after he got there. How did you win those games? By me picking the wrong shots and gifting them to you.


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Wow! Really John? you really gonna stick to that? Hmmmm. Lou states he specifically heard Dennis saying “You gotta protect the four ball” or “Bank the six over to your side.” And no: there was no prior discussion, much less agreement, on cornermen or coaching.

So one of you is LYING and I gotta go with IT'S YOU. Um, I was there with Koop and it was us that had the conversation with Lou after the first night's play ended. The whole buzz of conversation on our side the rail was Dennis was obviously coaching you, and why wasn't Lou, his backers, or Eddie saying anything about it. It looked ridiculous.

No-friggan-body slinks down in their seat, hides behind a column, and covers their mouth to give a pep talk or words of encouragement

Now I can't think of any reason, other than you're nuts, for you to even lie about it if there was no rule against it anyway.....except that there is some small part of you that knows it was the wrong thing to do.

Koop -it was great getting to hang for a bit. I gotta figure a time to come up to your neck of the woods.

Lou - Pleasure meeting you and congrats. wish i could have come back for day 2.
 
Lou didn't hear jack shit. I stick with what I said. I guess Dennis coached me to take the wrong shots I took while he was sitting there? Did he coach me to bank a ball to Lou's pocket selling out a game?



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jersey jer said:
Wow! Really John? you really gonna stick to that? Hmmmm. Lou states he specifically heard Dennis saying “You gotta protect the four ball” or “Bank the six over to your side.” And no: there was no prior discussion, much less agreement, on cornermen or coaching.

So one of you is LYING and I gotta go with IT'S YOU. Um, I was there with Koop and it was us that had the conversation with Lou after the first night's play ended. The whole buzz of conversation on our side the rail was Dennis was obviously coaching you, and why wasn't Lou, his backers, or Eddie saying anything about it. It looked ridiculous.

No-friggan-body slinks down in their seat, hides behind a column, and covers their mouth to give a pep talk or words of encouragement

Now I can't think of any reason, other than you're nuts, for you to even lie about it if there was no rule against it anyway.....except that there is some small part of you that knows it was the wrong thing to do.

Koop -it was great getting to hang for a bit. I gotta figure a time to come up to your neck of the woods.

Lou - Pleasure meeting you and congrats. wish i could have come back for day 2.
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You are missing the big picture.

Lou paid Dennis to give John bad advice. That way John plays even worse than normal and the public is made to think that John was cheating.

Lou moves like Keyser Soze!
 
JB Cases said:
Lou didn't hear jack shit. I stick with what I said. I guess Dennis coached me to take the wrong shots I took while he was sitting there? Did he coach me to bank a ball to Lou's pocket selling out a game?



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I didn't watch the whole match, but the parts I saw it was your execution that let you down. You can pick all the right shots in the world, but if you can't execute them then you still sell out, you still lose.
 
Isn't there no shame in this world?

Challenging someone to a 10k set and proceed to have a coach telling him what to shoot. It would be shameful to win too.

I would be pretty upset if my opponent had a coach. Lou had every right to complain.
 
From an outsiders perspective who doesn't care either way(but did watch some of the match) the coaching accusations sound really nitty and pathetic. Are you saying the coach was allegedly relaying in signals via hand gestures or something to with the clapping lol.
 
SakuJack said:
I didn't watch the whole match, but the parts I saw it was your execution that let you down. You can pick all the right shots in the world, but if you can't execute them then you still sell out, you still lose.
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I dogged a lot of shots for sure. But I also picked the WRONG shots a lot.

The accusations of coaching are nitty.

I picked the shots I played. Right or wrong, dogged or not they were my shots.

Dennis was quiet while Lou was shooting and directed his speech towards me and loud when I made a good shot.

To say that cheering for me when I made a good shot was a deliberate shark move is particularly odious. And to suggest that I had my wife doing it intentionally is effing ludicrous.
 
I got here about the time this match happened, so I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm just curious about the PayPal comment. It seems there was something behind the scene on that?
 
IrishToad said:
I got here about the time this match happened, so I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm just curious about the PayPal comment. It seems there was something behind the scene on that?
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I heard something about Paypal and the host mentioned it. Don't know what that was about. Something about JB didn't have the money but they counted the money though.
 
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