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The Best Cue Case Period
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nasc said:
My friend, if you were here you would see more capitalism in it's purest form than you could imagine.
That's why I list the alternatives. I believe in the abundance economy that says that there is enough business for everyone. Especially in an industry like ours that only has room to grow.
China is about as communist as Boise, Idaho is. That experiment is long fading.
nasc said:
My friend, if you were here you would see more capitalism in it's purest form than you could imagine.
That's why I list the alternatives. I believe in the abundance economy that says that there is enough business for everyone. Especially in an industry like ours that only has room to grow.
China is about as communist as Boise, Idaho is. That experiment is long fading.
I just want to point out that these case designs have limitations. Fellini's and Centennials are mostly for collectors.
Neither has a pocket for a jump cue handle or other stuff.
The Centennial style cases had a lid that could slide off if you grabbed it by the end, spilling the contents. The O ring eventually will wear out and if the case end plastic tube splits, will no longer hold tightly.
The Fellini lock rivets would split the plastic tube if held by the lid as well, or the lock itself would break apart. These cases and the Geroge cases disappeared because the Instroke style cases and Porper cases came along and were better designs.
These cases will be for a limited segment of the market - but I'm not sure which segment that will be.
Chris
Neither has a pocket for a jump cue handle or other stuff.
The Centennial style cases had a lid that could slide off if you grabbed it by the end, spilling the contents. The O ring eventually will wear out and if the case end plastic tube splits, will no longer hold tightly.
The Fellini lock rivets would split the plastic tube if held by the lid as well, or the lock itself would break apart. These cases and the Geroge cases disappeared because the Instroke style cases and Porper cases came along and were better designs.
These cases will be for a limited segment of the market - but I'm not sure which segment that will be.
Chris
TATE said:
The 2x4 cases do have a pockets that will hold a jump cue and other stuff. As well future versions of the 1x2 will also have these pockets. Also any size can be customized to suit the customer's needs. We are a full custom shop where the only limitation is imagination and money.
The locks have been tested by me in various ways to try and break them. With two people pulling on both side we tried to make the locks break in any fashion. They bent but did not break and even after having tremendous force applied they still worked. If however one should break or fail or somehow break the case in some way then it will be covered under warranty.
I should point out that the tubing is somewhat stronger than what has been used in the past. Since I was able to go directly to the manufacturer of the tubes we worked on them for several weeks and many variations to get a formula that had the required strength and weight balance.
I jumped on an empty case repeatedly trying to break it to see what it could withstand. The only damage was a slight crack below the handle area. I wish I had captured this on video.
The cases are designed with a pressure fit that keep the lid on. I determined that between 8-10 kg of pressure was sufficient to keep the lid in place under the following conditions:
1. Picking the case up by the lid.
2. Holding the case upside down.
3. Sudden jarring with the case in the lid down position.
Each case is pressure tested to adhere to the 8-10kg standard. On a personal level I put my cues inside them and try to make the lid come off by forcibly making the cues come forward and hit the lid.
Which also is not easy because of the way I designed the interior. The interior is padded to hold the cues in place so that the contents don't spill out even if the lid is removed. Also the foam system in the lid is designed to act as a shock absorber to lessen the blow should the cues somehow be forced to hit the inside top of the lid. This is achieved by combining two densities of foam rubber.
I have put a LOT of thought into the engineering of this case. There are a few other benefits that GTF will reveal on their website.
I have considered all the limitations and tried to address them.
As to why this style faded from production, and let's please not forget that they have always been production cases for the most part, I also think it's because of the advent of the foam core Porper style and also because of the introduction of the Instroke style tube case. But not necessarily because either were a better design.
I think it was mostly because those two styles were easier to build and offered more choice in configurations and were something new and visually appealing.
And the other thing that signaled the demise of the style was distribution. Because Porper and Instroke enjoyed a wider distribution - and the copies of both an even larger distribution they became the most popular styles of cases for new players. I remember vividly meeting many players who had never even heard of It's George, much less Fellini, Centennial, or Thomas.
I have always admired this style and longed to build it. One thing I regret is never having ordered the custom George I always coveted.
Who knows what the market will do this time around? I don't. But I will say this, I am proud to be preserving a part of billiards history and bringing it to more people.
Cases are not that important in the grand scheme of things but holding one of these, my 1x2 in soft black nappa leather, when I walked into the poolroom in the Philippines, I felt like a player. No jump cue,no break cue, no towel, no accessories but me and my pool cue. I felt like I was transported back 30 years. There will be pockets for those that want them, there will be straps and handles, but for those that want to have that feeling of power that comes from just one one cue and their skill, this is the case for you.
nasc said:
No, the police just mistakenly invade the wrong house and kill the first person who asks why. The government is much more social in the US when it comes to killing our own citizens. The overpriced cost of the ammunition is charged to the taxpayers.
Given time you dont think there is any chance of a society similiar to ours in China? There was a time here you could not buy a beer legally. There was a time here they passed a thing called the patiot act. When it comes to civil liberties they are gaining by leaps and bounds. All the while we are losing ours piece by piece. They are a communist country. So was the Baltic States. Look at them now. Some of my wifes family resides in the Ukraine. What changes do you think they have seen just in the last 15 years.nasc said:
nasc said:
In China you can also live where you want to, own property, read any book, and have as many children as you want, and the list goes on.
Are the rules different here? Of course they are. How would you propose the best way to manage 1.2 billion people?
On one hand people complain about the resources China consumes but on the other they say that Chinese should have as many children as they like.
China is more like Boise than you think it is - that was the point. Of course there are also significant differences, but not in the way you propose.
May I ask you Glen if you have any real experience in China? Or in any other country for that matter?
I have. In China, Taiwan, Germany, Europe, Turkey, Britain.... and the list goes on.
It's easy to stand up and shout Communist when speaking about China. But the Chinese system is no more communist than ours is democratic. Yes the Communist Party is in control but they are not "Communists" in the way that Karl Marx defined Communism.
Deng Xiao Ping put China firmly on the road to self-sufficient capitalism in the early 90s and the growth has been tremendous. No, China does not have representative elections like America does, but they feel about the same connection to their leaders as we Americans do, which is about zero.
The average Chinese knows that government is rigged in China just as it is in the USA. What they do is go about their lives in the same way we do, they seek stable employment, they pursue hobbies, they go on vacations, they seek love, they protest inequity. In reality the average Chinese is as free as any American in that the government does not interfere in their life nor does it support their life. They, like us, are pretty much on their own for their existence.
So don't condemn the Chinese for the decisions of the Chinese leaders who happen to be in power. The Chinese don't condemn the United States for the decisions of it's leaders. Please remember that underneath the political ideologies are human beings who only want to exist and find happiness.
And that IS the same as Boise Idaho.
JB Cases said:
How many mistakenly (or not mistakenly) houses that are invaded and the police "kill the first person who asks why" in Boise as compared to China ?
Nice use of the word "social". "The overpriced cost of the ammunition is charged to the taxpayers". Sorry, I thought the Chinese govt. sent the bill to the family.
Glen
nasc said:
No Glen, I meant that in the USA the cost of ammunition for the Police and the Army that is used to kill US citizens is charged to the taxpayers, not to the individual or his family.
Although I hear that some states are indeed suing the individual's estate to recover costs associated with the prosecution and incarceration.
The point being that we are more alike in the world than we are different. But somehow it's more fun to dwell on the differences rather than to celebrate the similarities.
Peace to you and a good slide into the new year as the Germans say.