The Diamond System

supergreenman

supergreenman

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I've been reading about the diamond system for 3 rail kicks. I understand the formula T= D-F or (t)thirdrail = (d) original direction number - (f) first rail number. My problem is with applying it. I wonder if someone who uses the system could just go through the steps they take when they use the system, and what adjustments they make for things like english and speed.

Thanks.
 
supergreenman said:
I've been reading about the diamond system for 3 rail kicks. I understand the formula T= D-F or (t)thirdrail = (d) original direction number - (f) first rail number. My problem is with applying it. I wonder if someone who uses the system could just go through the steps they take when they use the system, and what adjustments they make for things like english and speed.

Thanks.
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Get Byrne's Standard Book of Pool and Billiards and read the section on the "Corner 5" system which is the particular system you're talking about (there are dozens or hundreds of diamond systems). He includes corrections for finding the fourth rail contact for different starting points. Also see my articles on On The Break News which are on-line now.

Shots go shorter with more speed, generally. The go longer for more side spin, usually. If you want maximum consistency, try keeping both those factors as constant as possible.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Get Byrne's Standard Book of Pool and Billiards and read the section on the "Corner 5" system which is the particular system you're talking about (there are dozens or hundreds of diamond systems). He includes corrections for finding the fourth rail contact for different starting points. Also see my articles on On The Break News which are on-line now.

Shots go shorter with more speed, generally. The go longer for more side spin, usually. If you want maximum consistency, try keeping both those factors as constant as possible.
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Yup, I have the same book as well, and was the first thing I thought of.

Bob Jewett, Doesn't Bryne reference you a few times throughout his book? I know you would never toot your own horn, but I have no problem doing it for you.
 
supergreenman said:
I've been reading about the diamond system for 3 rail kicks. I understand the formula T= D-F or (t)thirdrail = (d) original direction number - (f) first rail number. My problem is with applying it. I wonder if someone who uses the system could just go through the steps they take when they use the system, and what adjustments they make for things like english and speed.

Thanks.
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I use the system. There was a series of OUTSTANDING posts on kicking by a member DeadAim, someone who obviously knows a fair bit about kicking systems. Anyway, the very first post is about this system :

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=9115

Do a search on DeadAim's posts, or search the forums for "Kicking Academy". He goes on to other systems, and I believe there is some commentary on corrections for the system of 5 (in section 1) in a later post (like section 4 or 5). Have a look, it's great material.

Thanks again DeadAim !

Dave
 
Thanks Colin and Dave for posting those links. This information is invaluable. For the most part I've got my head around how the system works, I just need to find a way to make it work for me.

ie. when I'm faced with a shot, I want to be able to do the caluclation on the spot, not keep my opponent waiting while I grab my notebook and figure it out.
 
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My recommendation is Willie Hoppes book. Published in 1941, it makes understanding the Diamond System and moreover, applying it very simple.

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best, and beat the rest"
 
the diamond system

:) the only person that i know is minnesota fats he was very good with the diamond system and he was also a great bank pool player

thanks
 
CrossSideLarry said:
My recommendation is Willie Hoppes book. Published in 1941, it makes understanding the Diamond System and moreover, applying it very simple. ...
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Significantly, Hoppe himself didn't use the corner-5 system, nor did he write the section on it in "his" book, "Billiards As It Should Be Played." Byrne's "Standard" book is better for the corner-5 because he explains the corrections needed both for origin changes and for table changes. Many of the diagrams in Hoppe's book don't work very well, and it's not the shooter's fault.

Another very nice on-line resource that has info about diamond systems is
http://www.three-cushion.com/
 
Bob Jewett said:
Another very nice on-line resource that has info about diamond systems is
http://www.three-cushion.com/
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So speaking of billiards and systems, has anyone heard when the republication of Ceulemans "Mr 100" will be available ? It is difficult to tell from his website.

Dave
 
I have Dr. Cues Foundation for Banking and Kicking Volumes 1,2 and 3.
I've read more than a few diagrams and explanations of the Diamond system,however, no-one describes as well as Dr. Cue.

Dr.Cue brings in all the variables about humidity, rail condition compensations (short or long), up or down table compensations etc etc etc.He explains it in great detail and really, really well.He also shows several awesome other one two and three rail kick systems.He also explains 3 sample kicks that will show you how a table is kicking.My kicking improved 100% with those vids.

I highly reccommend Dr. Cues videos as the best yet.
RJ
 
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