Just for you I'll use Yakal coring dowel.BlowFish said:
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The difference of a cue butt in play
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Don't forget epoxy, A-joint configuration, rings, buttcap, weight bolts and TAPER.snowmon34 said:
We should leave wrap out of this I think.
Finish?
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snowmon34 said:
This is becasue your hand position is usually somewhere on the wrap so when the feedback energy reached you the feedback stops right there and travels up your arm....
So in other words... your arm acts as a silencer and soaks up the remaining feeback energy... except for remaining harmonic energy traveling straight through the center of the core which is audible if you do NOT have a rubber bumper to catch that....
The handle doesn't really get a full chance to play it's part as far as trasferring the energy completly through becasue there is a foreign object "your hand" introduced to the equation so that's why it's not included in the percentage breakdown.
And yes straighter grain woods tend to vibrate alot less, and depending what region of the U.S. you live in, this makes a huge difference on maintaining consistancy of the wood's natural habitat...
For example: if you are from a very dry climate and that is where the cue is going to live than maple is a wonderful choice as well as a certain species of cocbolo from mexico and a few others, due to the fact that the wood is not being exposed to any foreign conditions, so it will maintain it's consistancy both feel and trueness much longer than a natural humid climate wood will...
Anyone who lives in humid states such as Florida for example has all kinds of Exotic hardwood options from South America, Africa, Etc.... due to comparable conditions that favor the woods entire lifespand.....
This of course makes sense, and it's strictly an observation from a logical approach but since I have never had any of my cues warp no matter where I sent them, the curing process time is directly related to the origin of the wood in question.....
But why should you send a warm wood to a cold climate or a wet wood to a dry climate ???? to me I think you are asking for trouble in the long run !
- Eddie Wheat
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JoeyInCali said:
Yes the epoxy and a weight bolt in the A-joint can be a determining factor in the equation regarding harmonics, but since the feedback energy is traveling conically forward it is running on the o.d. of the cue so anything past the joint-pin that connects the shaft to the butt isn't really important in this particular aspect of the analysis....
Very good point though !
- Eddie Wheat
WheatCues said:
Eddie, according to my calculations I come up with 87.2% / 12.8%.
Check your math ...
I am wanting a cue butt with tiny gyros to keep my stroke straight.
Mr Balabushka thought plain maple made the best hitting cue.
Frank Paradise even tried a Plexiglass forearm.
It is just human nature to want something better.
A player will sell the best hitting cue he ever played with and then spend the rest of his life looking for one as good.
Personally I think to much attention is being given to the equipment and not enough to the personal physics of the game.
(the equipmentitis syndrome)
It is boring to practice at the table but exciting to buy a new cue.
Its easy to talk equipment but hard to describe a shot.
A cue makers best customer is one that is still looking for that magic cue that will allow him to shoot the lights out.
BTW: I am running very low on the magic stuff I use in my cues.
My supplier has become rich and is retiring.
Anyone know another source?
I feel that inlays won't effect the feel of a cue enough to percieve. What's important is how well the butt is put together. No cavities, tight tolerances in the fit of components. Different woods will for sure hit different. That's what I strive for in my cues. I want a bubinga cue to hit like bubinga, coring IMHO detracts from that. Some woods benefit from it obviously like burls and heavily figured woods.cueaddicts said:
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WilleeCue said:Eddie, according to my calculations I come up with 87.2% / 12.8%.
Check your math ...
I am wanting a cue butt with tiny gyros to keep my stroke straight.
Mr Balabushka thought plain maple made the best hitting cue.
Frank Paradise even tried a Plexiglass forearm.
It is just human nature to want something better.
A player will sell the best hitting cue he ever played with and then spend the rest of his life looking for one as good.
Personally I think to much attention is being given to the equipment and not enough to the personal physics of the game.
(the equipmentitis syndrome)
It is boring to practice at the table but exciting to buy a new cue.
Its easy to talk equipment but hard to describe a shot.
A cue makers best customer is one that is still looking for that magic cue that will allow him to shoot the lights out.
BTW: I am running very low on the magic stuff I use in my cues.
My supplier has become rich and is retiring.
Anyone know another source?
VERY WELL SAID !!!
- Eddie Wheat
You need a BS degree to arrive to those figures.icem3n said:
Everything matters equally. Even the shaft is only as good as it's ferrule material & install technique. The tip is another subject altogether. Even the rubber bumper on the end of the cue desrves credit for changing the harmonics of the cue, as well as weight distribution & balance. My bumpers weight .2oz, which is enough to alter the balance of the cue even if minute. The weight system is as important as anything else as well. I think the butt never gets the credit it deserves because it is the most rare to go bad. As soon as something in the butt of a cue goes funky, how important does it become then? When a threaded weight bolt rattles, is it still less than 10% important? When the metal rings above the "A" joint buzz, are they no longer a non-energy bearing component that doesn't matter? I think the numbers are way off, and a true in-depth knowledge & experience with the dynamics of the butt & it's construction is needed before any numbers can be given to the importance of components. It's 50/50 as far as i'm concerned, maybe even more leaning toward the butt as being most important.
I build shafts pretty simply. They are cut down to size, joint work done, ferrule & tip added & that's pretty much it. Not much can go wrong here unless I really do something stupid. They all play pretty dang similar, meaning I can take any of my 13mm shafts & use them on one butt & the cue will play nearly identical, even with different tips. I take one shaft & try several butts & they all play noticeably different. Much of this can be attributed to the consistency in choosing shaft wood as opposed to the endless material choices in a butt. But regardless of reason, the butt is of very high importance in a cue, at minimum 50%. It's just rarely realized because it's not the component touching the ball. How good is a car without an engine & drive train? Like I say, it's not important until it's broken, then how important does it become?
I build shafts pretty simply. They are cut down to size, joint work done, ferrule & tip added & that's pretty much it. Not much can go wrong here unless I really do something stupid. They all play pretty dang similar, meaning I can take any of my 13mm shafts & use them on one butt & the cue will play nearly identical, even with different tips. I take one shaft & try several butts & they all play noticeably different. Much of this can be attributed to the consistency in choosing shaft wood as opposed to the endless material choices in a butt. But regardless of reason, the butt is of very high importance in a cue, at minimum 50%. It's just rarely realized because it's not the component touching the ball. How good is a car without an engine & drive train? Like I say, it's not important until it's broken, then how important does it become?
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qbilder said:
Interesting point.....
However I have to dissagree with you to an extent becasue if you take a pred.314 shaft and put it on anyone's custom butt it no longer plays like that original cue.. it plays like a 314
If you don't believe me, try it yourself... I have done the tests so I know the results....
I'm not trying to be insulting in any way,shape or form..... but if the butt played that much of a part in anything else other than "feedback" "balance" and "comfort" predator wouldn't specialize in shafts that fit every cue known to man/woman and would probably go bust !
This is a touchy subject with lots of factors and variables to it... I can appreciate all the different views and points and as I said before I did NOT come up with the percentage breakdown... you have NASA engineers to thank for that one !!! afterall, if they can figure out how to put a hunk of metal into orbit from earth I think they can handle molecular breakdown and energy transfer percentages with a piece of wood.... so I give them credit for the analysis !
- Eddie Wheat
When did NASA ENGINEERS experiment with pool cues?WheatCues said:
What was the equation used?
I have a better equation.
Let's compare them.
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True, they let a rocket take off with outside foam insulation not in place.WheatCues said:
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Did they use the pythagorean theorem?WheatCues said:
Joey~Has no clue what poverished means~
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