The Draw Stroke Test...How Do You Rate?

How Does Your Draw Rate?

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mosconiac

mosconiac

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We've all probably seen this simple draw stroke test...please take the poll so we can see where we all rate. :thumbup:

With a 314, I typically return to where the CB started, which is about 12-13 diamonds. I've had an occasional flyer that made it to the end rail (15 diamonds), but that is very unusual. I haven't tried out my OB-2 yet. Also, I usually use a red triangle or measles CB. A red circle would probably give me a teensie bit more length.

I started doing this in response to watching Jon Kucharo shoot it. He would easily reach the 2nd end rail (15 diamonds) and more often than not stretch it out to the middle of the table again (18-19 diamonds). I've heard that Nevel can do that too...if not a diamond or so more.

Tips for getting better results:
1) chalk up!!
2) concentrate on striking the CB low with a loose wrist
3) draw straight back...any side movement or spin will consume distance
4) use a good follow-thru...move the CB back a little if you double-hit

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IMO power draw is easy compared to drawing the cue ball with control. Some can draw six feet, but can they draw six inches, reliably?
 
19 diamonds would be insane, that would be up and down 2 rails and back to the middle? It's a tough test, since table cloth, rails, and ball condition plays such a big factor. There's a video of Mike Massey on youtube doing 15 pretty easily, so I wouldn't be surprised if he could do 19 also.
 
This is an ironic thread to me, cause I have been doing this for years to test my drawing ability,( 15 is easy, I've done in between 19 and 20 a few times!). I always use this when testing out a new cue or telling someone how I think there cue hits.

Jeremy
 
IamMark said:
19 diamonds would be insane, that would be up and down 2 rails and back to the middle? It's a tough test, since table cloth, rails, and ball condition plays such a big factor. There's a video of Mike Massey on youtube doing 15 pretty easily, so I wouldn't be surprised if he could do 19 also.
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Mike Massey had the CB near the side pocket (3 diamonds away from OB), which makes it a more difficult draw shot than the one diagrammed (CB 1.5 diamonds away from OB).

If you want to make the draw shot more challenging, try placing the CB at the head string diamond.
 
Neil said:
Interesting poll, but everyone should be aware that the equipment you are on makes a HUGE difference in the results. The room I use to play at, two tables side by side. Same cloth, same type balls and cb's. On the one table, it is easy to get table length draw. On the other table, you have to use a power draw to get 5 diamonds of draw.

How tight the cloth is stretched, how much the cb is worn compared to the ob, both have a big effect on the outcome with the same stroke.
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I absolutely agree. Have you played on the BCA Diamond 7' Bar Tables?
I try to draw 1 diamond, and end up drawing the length of the table and then some. Those tables are insanely fast. It's almost as if someone decided, let's make the tables so fast, the players will want to smash their heads on a table until their heads bleed.....oh wait...didn't a pro player already do that. :grin:
 
Good points from all re: equipment, controlled draw vs. power draw, etc.

Given that, on a typical 9 footer with normal cloth (Simonis 860 etc.) I can reliably get to the bottom end rail. Some days a little less, some days a little more, almost always between 14 and 16. Probably the best I've done is a 17, and I stroked it pure, knew as soon as I hit it. 18 - 19 is impressive, Massey/Nevel territory...

Another shot I play around with is putting the object ball in a about the same spot, maybe a little closer to the pocket, and placing the cue ball on that same line but about 1/2" or so away from the top rail. Elevate and make the ball and draw back to the top rail. I can do this 1 out of 2 or 3 attempts reliably, best I've done with that position is back to the top rail and out to the middle of the table. Thought I had a good stroke until I saw Larry Nevel do it with the cue ball frozen to the top rail, and elevate and draw the cue ball up and down the entire table - I hate him... :grin:
 
Neil said:
Interesting poll, but everyone should be aware that the equipment you are on makes a HUGE difference in the results. The room I use to play at, two tables side by side. Same cloth, same type balls and cb's. On the one table, it is easy to get table length draw. On the other table, you have to use a power draw to get 5 diamonds of draw.

How tight the cloth is stretched, how much the cb is worn compared to the ob, both have a big effect on the outcome with the same stroke.
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Yeah, I was about to say, EVERYBODY HERE should come to Amsterdam to take this test. You're guaranteed to score about 10-20% better. I can't say I've ever done more than 12 and on slower rails, I'm certain to struggle to get 10.

EDIT: I was off by about 2 diamonds. Should read 12 and 10.
 
i have never tried this one, but when i feel my draw could use work, i set a ball up a few inches from a corner pocket on the footrail and place the cueball behind the headstring. i can usually draw back the full length of the table plus 2 to 3 diamonds. this is on an 8' table with cloth that is medium speed. being so far from the object ball makes you concentrate a little more on a streight stroke, while forcing you to hit deep, low, and LEVEL, all while avoiding a miscue.
 
mosconiac said:
I started doing this in response to watching Jon Kucharo shoot it. He would easily reach the 2nd end rail (15 diamonds) and more often than not stretch it out to the middle of the table again (18-19 diamonds). I've heard that Nevel can do that too...if not a diamond or so more.


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Ummm.... not only does Nevel get 19 diamonds, too, but he starts at the other end of the table!

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Fred <~~~ seen it
 
Table speed (felt), bumper performance, and ball condition have big inputs to how far one can draw the ball.
 
MitchAlsup said:
Table speed (felt), bumper performance, and ball condition have big inputs to how far one can draw the ball.
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How about table size too...are we talking 7 ft, 8 ft, 9 ft?

I would say on a 9 ft, 8-10 diamonds, but on a 7 ft, I could probably get 12-14.
 
Firecracker said:
How about table size too...are we talking 7 ft, 8 ft, 9 ft?

I would say on a 9 ft, 8-10 diamonds, but on a 7 ft, I could probably get 12-14.
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Very true. I just tried it on my 9 foot with 860 Simonis and got around 11 - 12 (Actually closer to 11, but that was not an option).

I thought I could do better; however, after several tries I consistently came in around 11.
 
Yeah I can get to 12 on my 9 foot table but 9-10 is the usual. Must be these old tired arms ! or is it that I took up pool seriously only a few years ago. For whatever reason the max draw seems to be sufficent for my game.
 
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