The Future of Pool

railfirst

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Please don't flame me for this, I am just thinking out of the box here. This idea came to me the other day and there is nothing else like it out there right now. Please share why or why not you feel this idea would succeed.
I know that the document is incomplete right now, but i want some feedback before i continue.

Thanks,
Ben
PS Dont Steal My Idea :D
 

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Sign me up, I would need 5 years $25 million. Oh, and by the way I couldn't pass a steroid test either. All jokes aside I think it could happen. I saw in Pool & Billiards pool is back on the rise. I think the more exposure that pool gets on TV the more people will jump in and go out and play. But as far as your "Pro" league is concerned, I think the only problem would be trying to find enough team owners and sponsors to do fork over the $$$. It would be interesting to see the type of TV ratings that pool gets and that would tell you right there if would work. Good luck with it...
 
smoooothstroke said:
You will need rules for player movement(trades,freeagency).

How can you make it work financially?
i dont know yet. It would be really cool if i could though.


Ben
 
smoooothstroke said:
You will need rules for player movement(trades,freeagency).

How can you make it work financially?

financially it would work like any other pro sport. revenue generated thru corporate sales, sponsorship, gate receipts and dare i say it, tv deals. and since its pool maybe a piece of the action. the real problem will be coming up with owners and the initial start up costs.

brian
 
pocketspeed said:
financially it would work like any other pro sport. revenue generated thru corporate sales, sponsorship, gate receipts and dare i say it, tv deals. and since its pool maybe a piece of the action. the real problem will be coming up with owners and the initial start up costs.

brian
sorry i read smoothstroke's post wrong, i thought he was asking if i could.
Pocketspeed summed it up pretty nice for me. thanks.


Ben
 
Ultimately, you must answer these questions:

1) Why would those who decline or are unable to finance our sport today in America choose to finance this form of competition? What new opportunities do you offer would-be fianciers of this venture that are not available to them now?

2) Why do you feel the team format will be embraced by players and fans of pool?

3) Why will this idea support the growth of pool among the young more than other approaches, especially when you are targeting casinos as central locations in carrying out your ideas?

4) A pool league has been developed and sustained successfully in Germany, so your idea has some merit, but the geography makes it a little easier to have a league there than one covering the entire United States. How will you handle the challenge presented by the vast distances that might be involved?

Not trying to play devil's advocate here, just preparing you for some of the questions you would certainly have to answer to get this venture off the ground.

Good luck in your exploits.
 
sjm said:
Ultimately, you must answer these questions:

1) Why would those who decline or are unable to finance our sport today in America choose to finance this form of competition? What new opportunities do you offer would-be fianciers of this venture that are not available to them now?

2) Why do you feel the team format will be embraced by players and fans of pool?

3) Why will this idea support the growth of pool among the young more than other approaches, especially when you are targeting casinos as central locations in carrying out your ideas?

4) A pool league has been developed and sustained successfully in Germany, so your idea has some merit, but the geography makes it a little easier to have a league there than one covering the entire United States. How will you handle the challenge presented by the vast distances that might be involved?

Not trying to play devil's advocate here, just preparing you for some of the questions you would certainly have to answer to get this venture off the ground.

Good luck in your exploits.

sjm,

i think the answer to most of your questions is the team concept rather than obsure individuals. you have to admit that outside our community no one really knows the players. if you dont know them you cant root for them. if you cant find the poolroom where they are playing you cant support them.

we love our team sports. even though relatively unpopular in the US pro soccer seems to make some money. pple support their local teams. team rivalries develop (think sox and yanks here). all hypes up the game. this can all offer a potenially larger fan base than now exists attracting sponsors.

it supports the young pple into the sport as there would be a way to make a living at pro pool, possibly even developing a minor league system.

the team concept has lots of merit to it. unfortunately i dont think there will ever be the start up financing that would be needed.

brian
 
So your idea is:


"National Pool League (NPL)
The NPL is the brainchild of Ben Gauthier and was thought of on the 9th of October 2008.

Mission Statement: The NPL will be developed to allow pool players the same ability to use their talent and skill in order to make a fair living just like any other professional athlete. It is the goal of the NPL not only to provide work for pool players, but also to enrich the pool community by offering youth programs as well as player development programs.

League set-up: The NPL shall consist of teams of 12 players, minimally 10-12 teams would be needed for the league to operate, but as the NPL grows more teams would be added as long as the market would support them. Each team would play out of a city and have their own home ?€œcourt.?€? Ideally each teams home room would be located in either a casino or event center to allow both ideal conditions for players, but also for spectators. The home room would need to be a standing pool room, not to be used for other functions and the tables and all equipment will remain set up in the room at all times (unless under going maintenance) all equipment shall be uniform throughout all teams and must be well maintained. All teams shall be given exclusive buying opportunities on tables, balls, lights, and cloth through deals with vendors arranged by the NPL.

Team set-up: Each team will consist of 12 players, although only 8 players will play each week for a team. Each team will be independently owned and operated according to league standards. The team owner is responsible for drafting a team, paying travel expenses to away games as well as giving the players allowances for food/drink/personal amusement during road trips/away games. Additionally, team owners will be responsible for hiring staff as they see fit i.e. team coach, league approved table mechanic, as well as team executives including but not limited to: secretaries, scouts, PRs, and marketing. Each team owner is responsible for securing sponsors for their teams. Sponsors can be pool related companies, but outside sponsors are also highly recommended. A sponsorship deal cannot interfere with a players person equipment, for instance a team owner could not secure a deal with Predator that stated that all of the teams members must use a Predator cue. Each homeroom should also have banner advertisers that should be businesses that are local to each team. The league may have sponsors, which would have priority over each individual teams sponsors in terms of banner space and placement. Each team should also have a score keeper who is responsible for keeping score on the league provided score sheets and when a game concludes the score keeper is responsible for getting the scores to the NPL so that proper standings can be kept.

Players: All players in the league will be held to a code of conduct. All players in the league will wear their uniforms to all games. Uniforms shall be black dress pants, and dress shirts of uniform color; one main team sponsor shall be allowed to be displayed on a patch on the shirts of players along with any NPL sponsors. Players should be available for autographs either before or after every game. Players shall also make themselves available as their team requires for PR and marketing appearance. A minimum of 25 hours of pool related community service shall also be required each season by each player. Players will not be allowed to bet on any NPL games or matches. If they are found to be betting, they will be disciplined accordingly.

Game Rules: All games shall be 9 ball and a race to 9. All World Standardized Rules apply. There should be 1 referee present at all games. No forfeits will be allowed; a player must make the 9 to win the game. Jump cues will be permitted. The difference in scores will be added to the winning players team total. Example: If a match is won 9-7, 2 points will be awarded to the winning team. Each team shall submit their 8 man line-up blind and players will be matched up by the line-ups. After all singles matches have concluded, doubles matches shall be played the same way as singles matches. At the end of the night the team with the most points wins. All matches shall be played simultaneously resulting in a time frame akin to other major sports."


See some good stuff there.
 
I think there are some good concepts there!


A team format could be good. Look at the Mosconi cup for example. People really get behind this kind of dynamic.


Keep thinking, and refining your ideas. Even better, get sombody to put some money in it! ( That is ALWAYS the hardest part!) :grin:
 
sjm said:
Ultimately, you must answer these questions:

1) Why would those who decline or are unable to finance our sport today in America choose to finance this form of competition? What new opportunities do you offer would-be fianciers of this venture that are not available to them now?

2) Why do you feel the team format will be embraced by players and fans of pool?

3) Why will this idea support the growth of pool among the young more than other approaches, especially when you are targeting casinos as central locations in carrying out your ideas?

4) A pool league has been developed and sustained successfully in Germany, so your idea has some merit, but the geography makes it a little easier to have a league there than one covering the entire United States. How will you handle the challenge presented by the vast distances that might be involved?

Not trying to play devil's advocate here, just preparing you for some of the questions you would certainly have to answer to get this venture off the ground.

Good luck in your exploits.
1.) Why would an outside brand such as coke sponsor one individual tour when there are many of them running, you are getting a small piece of the market, if coke for instance chose to sponsor the NPL, their name would be synonomous (sp) with pool. Instead of getting a piece of the pie advertisers are getting the whole pie.

2.) The team format would make matches shorter making pool more palatable for average fans who dont care to watch a 3 day tournament. The plus for pro players is a contract that says that they get paid x amount per week.

3.) Casinos do not necessarily have to be the place where these events take place, a hotel or event center would work fine too. Basically any place with a large meeting room that would be able to fit 8 tables plus seats for spectators. Also the aim would be to use the popularity if successful to run pool schools and programs for the youth, also an amateur circuit is not out the question if you already have the space, like a farm system in baseball.

4.) The same way any other major sport handles travel issues. A baseball like schedule (think east or west coast trips) would be maintained.

Ben
 
pocketspeed said:
sjm,

i think the answer to most of your questions is the team concept rather than obsure individuals. you have to admit that outside our community no one really knows the players. if you dont know them you cant root for them. if you cant find the poolroom where they are playing you cant support them.

we love our team sports. even though relatively unpopular in the US pro soccer seems to make some money. pple support their local teams. team rivalries develop (think sox and yanks here). all hypes up the game. this can all offer a potenially larger fan base than now exists attracting sponsors.

it supports the young pple into the sport as there would be a way to make a living at pro pool, possibly even developing a minor league system.

the team concept has lots of merit to it. unfortunately i dont think there will ever be the start up financing that would be needed.

brian

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I just can't see it.

What individual sport that was struggling found far greater favor when it switched to a team format? Certainly not tennis or golf, in which interest in team formats was an effect, not a source, of the enormous popularity of the sport at the individual level.

Why would players overcome their obscurity as a result of a switch to a team format?

Why would team rivalries in pool be more celebrated than individual rivalries? My attention is as easily captued by Federer/Nadal or Borg/McEnroe as it is by Yanks/Red Sox or Michigan/Ohio State. As far as pool, despite the fact that one of the teams might be viewed as my home team, I am far less fascinated by an event like the Mosconi Cup than by the WPC or the US Open, and, despite the fact that I follow the Mosconi Cup carefully, I have far less recollection of which teams and players have done well than I do of players succeeding in events like the WPC or US Open.

Just my thoughts. Saying "we love our team sports" seems to me a blanket comment with little supporting substantiation offered.
 
sjm said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I just can't see it.

What individual sport that was struggling found far greater favor when it switched to a team format? Certainly not tennis or golf, in which interest in team formats was an effect, not a source, of the enormous popularity of the sport at the individual level.

Why would players overcome their obscurity as a result of a switch to a team format?

Why would team rivalries in pool be more celebrated than individual rivalries? My attention is as easily captued by Federer/Nadal or Borg/McEnroe as it is by Yanks/Red Sox or Michigan/Ohio State. As far as pool, despite the fact that one of the teams might be viewed as my home team, I am far less fascinated by an event like the Mosconi Cup than by the WPC or the US Open, and, despite the fact that I follow the Mosconi Cup carefully, I have far less recollection of which teams and players have done well than I do of players succeeding in events like the WPC or US Open.

Just my thoughts. Saying "we love our team sports" seems to me a blanket comment with little supporting substantiation offered.
A team sport is the only other format available, its apparent that the tournament format isnt supporting pool players. If you are a fan of your home team i guarantee you can name almost all of the players on it. Besides there still is an individual element to this unlike basketball, soccer, football, hockey, or baseball. Also you notice how popular those sports are i just named?


Ben
Loves the Sox, Pats, and Cs and lets not forget the cue whores!!! love my team sports.
 
Pool is NOT a team sport. I don't care how many apa, bca, etc. players there are, pool is just not a team sport.
 
I like the concept ... It could eventually blossom into something like the Ryder cup in golf. I don't totally agree that pool is not a team sport as partners have been a concept of pool ever since the beginning. I do think that no matter how many teams you have individuals will stand out and become popular with the fans. They will love certain players on certain teams still kind of making it a individual thnig also ... I know if Archer were on a team that would be my favorite player and probably team.

I don't know if this would ever fly I would hope that it would some day. But hey I give you props and rep for thinking of things to help the game .. Instead of setting back and doing nothing and hoping it fixes itsself. Thank you for sharing it is certainly a interesting concept ... Plain and simple like the NFL or NBA or MLB ... But at least it is feasible.
 
railfirst said:
Please don't flame me for this, I am just thinking out of the box here. This idea came to me the other day and there is nothing else like it out there right now. Please share why or why not you feel this idea would succeed.
I know that the document is incomplete right now, but i want some feedback before i continue.

Thanks,
Ben
PS Dont Steal My Idea :D

So many pool leagues out there...BCA, ACS, TAP, VNEA, APA, it is extremenly hard to propose another league/tour without thinking it is doomed for failure.

So many World Federations (about 150) with a similiar mission statement. All those American Tours trying to assist the Players in having steady income. All those Jr Leagues. The IPT, the ATS, the PBT, WPA....Everything has been tried in the past 50 plus years but we see no further exposition of the sport.

But what the heck, who knows, maybe we need to keep up with any idea until someone hits the jackpot. Best of luck.
 
any pros, or anyone with experience in the business world of billiards care to weigh in?

Ben
 
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