The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

Salamander said:
....I will not sit idly by however, when you attack me. Your initial post was full of inconsistancy and lies......As far as me being banned....if I get banned for defending myself against this moron classiccues, so be it. However, if I'm allowed to continue to post, and classiccues follows me around like a rabid dog, perhaps the administrators need to ban him?

Doug

What initial post (the one that was yanked due to your use of profanity that no one can see now)? I don't think Joe has provoked you or personally attacked you in this thread. You seem to be the one making it personal and keeping it going.

And BTW, not sure it would be "hearsay" since Skip lives about 10 minutes from Joe and he's probably already seen the shafts weighed on a scale. You chose to make this a public issue for the last X months downing Skip's work because of these shafts. It's not very fair now for you to try to quell a discussion about their actual weight if they are not 2.5oz.

BTW, Joe probably won't post another word regarding this matter if you would just say how much the shafts weighed.
 
cueaddicts said:
What initial post (the one that was yanked due to your use of profanity that no one can see now)? I don't think Joe has provoked you or personally attacked you in this thread. You seem to be the one making it personal and keeping it going.

And BTW, not sure it would be "hearsay" since Skip lives about 10 minutes from Joe and he's probably already seen the shafts weighed on a scale. You chose to make this a public issue for the last X months downing Skip's work because of these shafts. It's not very fair now for you to try to quell a discussion about their actual weight if they are not 2.5oz.

BTW, Joe probably won't post another word regarding this matter if you would just say how much the shafts weighed.

Exactly.. and the fact is if he cannot man up and say that he LIED then thats his problem. Heresay, thats funny. I talk to a guy who has them on the scale as we are talking and its heresay. Thats nice. BTW its less than 2 minutes by bike.

One other thing.. this guy wouldn't know "fair" if it hit him square in the face.

JV
 
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Salamander said:
Mr Wilson,

Your forum rules are fine by me. However, I'll bet that classiccues will be unable to abide by your rules. As he continues to harass me, I will send you a message alerting you to it. Fair enough?

Regards,

Doug

Unlike you I am not worried about the rules here because I have yet to sling an ad hominem attack, or viloate them. So alert him all you want. You slandered a guy who's cues I SELL. Unless you come clean, you're right, I am going to post this ad nauseum.

JV
 
Salamander said:
Everything that you have heard about these shafts you heard by phone from Skip Weston. That is called hearsay. You have no business commenting on anything having to do with my business with Skip Weston since you are not involved in any way with the transaction. Skip himself has asked you to refrain from getting involved in this discussion. Why? Because he wants to try and resolve our problems without someone else, who has NO knowlege of what is involved, coming in and stirring up the pot.

I promised Skip that I would refrain from discussing or addressing specifics about the "shafts". I will not sit idly by however, when you attack me. Your initial post was full of inconsistancy and lies. Typical of someone who can't possibly know the facts who heard information by phone. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM ENGAGING IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SHAFTS, BUT IT WILL BE ONLY WITH SKIP WESTON.

FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS A NEED TO KNOW, SKIP WESTON IS MAKING ME NEW SHAFTS BECAUSE THE "OLD SHAFTS" , AS SKIP WESTON EXPLAINED, "COULD NOT BE REPAIRED WITH ANY SATISFACTORY RESULTS". DOES THAT SAY ENOUGH?

As far as me being banned....if I get banned for defending myself against this moron classiccues, so be it. However, if I'm allowed to continue to post, and classiccues follows me around like a rabid dog, perhaps the administrators need to ban him?

Doug

Skip and I have not spoken about this since he told me about the shafts. Period. So here is the deal, you know he is making good on the shafts it's high time you admit to your drama and false lambasting. As Sean said, just admit your shortcomings and be done with it.

Funny how you were quick to jump all over here without SKip, now you want to hide behind him. Sorry pal, you owe him a large apology HERE where you posted your garbage. After your post ramblings, as the largest seller of his cues, I handled 10-12 e-mails and pm's. God knows how many people thought twice or didn't order from him because of your LYING. Maybe you need to reflect on that issue alone. My original post was right on the money and you and I know it.

BTW by saying the facts I got over the phone are incorrect you are also saying Skip is a liar. Is that right? Let me tell you, if I was him, I would have lopped the collars off and sent them to you in a bag, on fire. Just based on the e-mails reiterated to me by phone. OH I guess thats heresay to. Since you want to try and sound all legal like.. how is this.. "I am only trying to determine the credibility of the witness your honor"...

Let me say these two things in closing... there are very few people as honorable as Skip. Had you come across like a civil human being initially, there would have been no issues.

Second, PM me the name of the supposed cuemakers that you showed the shafts to, I never want to buy a cue from people who cannot read a scale.

JV
 
Cueaddicts,

I have calling him an A-hole, a moron and half wit, nothing more. I also told him to "mind his own _____business", where I inserted **** (this was not blocked by admin, I used my keyboard to make them). That was the extent of any "profanity" if you can call it that. By the way, I would love to call him a few choice words much stronger than that.

And yes Joe (or whoever he is) starting the whole mess. The initial post, which you must not have seen was pulled as well. Two posts pulled to my knowlege. He indirectly attacked me in this thread as well.

As far as the shafts, the weight was the least of the issues. You can go back and check out my list of complaints. The shafts weighed spot on 2.5 oz. on my scale (and no it is not a digital scale) two years ago. The shafts weighed 3.2 oz. spot on on a digital scale when I sent them to Skip two years later. Should I have made sure that I weighed them more accurately? Maybe. Could the weight have changed? Maybe. All my other shafts weight almost 4 ounces. The difference in weight was dramatic. But again, this was one of at least 7 issues that I had with the shafts. I never intentially tried to suger coat my problems with his shafts. The shaft weight paled in comparison to several of the other issues that I had with them.

The shafts sat unused in my case for two years. They were not usuable. I took them to 3 cuemakers here in Colorado who told me to basically "junk them", they were not worth trying to repair. All the "issues" that I had with the shafts, with the possible exception of the exact weight, can be verified by several people. Heck, even Skip Weston said that the shafts were "pretty rough....and not salvagable". Wake up...the shafts were no good.

Joe has done all the provoking and attacking. He has also been asked by Skip Weston to stop this. What is so ironic is that classiccues is doing nothing more than reminding people of a deal that went south between Skip Weston and myself. If anyone is causing Skip to lose business, that person is classiccues. He seems to be Skip's own worse enemy.

Skip is supposedly making two new shafts. He was made aware of my problems with these shafts within a week of my receiving them. I sent several emails and left phone messages. I never heard another peep from Skip Weston for almost 2 years. That was until he became aware that another cuemaker was going to try and fix "the shafts". Skip and I exchanged about 10 emails back and forth. Skip offered to make new shafts. upon completion, I offered to remove my azbilliards complaints and post a resolution of our conflict. That was, until good o'l classiccues reared his ugly head.

At any rate, this is the very last thing that I am going to say about the matter until Skip completes the shafts. At that time, I will give a report of the outcome. In truth, I kissed the $340 I spent on the shafts goodbye two years ago. Whatever I get from Skip can't be any worse than the original shafts. In fact, I'll let two other azbilliards members give their impressions so as to remain unbiased.

So keep spewing your venom classiccues. I don't give a hoot. You're not hurting my business, only Skips. So knock yourself out....you've made my ignore list. : )

later,

Doug





cueaddicts said:
What initial post (the one that was yanked due to your use of profanity that no one can see now)? I don't think Joe has provoked you or personally attacked you in this thread. You seem to be the one making it personal and keeping it going.

And BTW, not sure it would be "hearsay" since Skip lives about 10 minutes from Joe and he's probably already seen the shafts weighed on a scale. You chose to make this a public issue for the last X months downing Skip's work because of these shafts. It's not very fair now for you to try to quell a discussion about their actual weight if they are not 2.5oz.

BTW, Joe probably won't post another word regarding this matter if you would just say how much the shafts weighed.
 
You can kid yourself all you want pal, the fact is in your writing is 3.2 and 3.5 oz. So now we are to believe in Colorado where the climate is pretty dry they gained .7 and 1 oz total.

Again Skip and I haven't spoke and just more testament to your half truths. In talking to Skip one shaft was "way out" and one was useable. But its all opinion at this point.

JV
 
I am soooo :confused: !

" One shaft weighs out larger,
And one shaft weighs out small.... " a poor bastardization of 'White Rabbit"

Sorry...I just couldn't help myself!

Lisa
 
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ridewiththewind said:
I am soooo :confused: !

" One shaft weighs out larger,
And one shaft weighs out small.... " a poor bastardization of 'White Rabbit"

Sorry...I just couldn't help myself!

Lisa

Now I'm chuckling. I'm directly involved and I'm confused as you are. Have you ever seen the movie "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest? Perhaps I need to take classiccues off of my ignore list....I went from disliking him to finding him incredibly funny. At one point he explained that Skip Weston intentially left his shafts in a "rough state" so that his customers could "finish" them how they saw fit. Unfortunately this thread was deleted, but not before a fellow poster and I were in absolute stitches. LOL



Regards,

Doug
 
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Salamander said:
Now I'm chuckling. I'm directly involved and I'm confused as you are. Have you ever seen the movie "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest? Perhaps I need to take classiccues off of my ignore list....I went from disliking him to finding him incredibly funny. At one point he explained that Skip Weston intentially left his shafts in a "rough state" so that his customers could "finish" them how they saw fit. Unfortunately this thread was deleted, but not before a fellow poster and I were in absolute stitches. LOL



Regards,

Doug

Well Doug, why don't you tell everyone here how a shaft that has SHRUNK at the collar and ferrule manages to GAIN 1 oz or weight? You want to talk being in stiches, there are alot of people perplexed on how the laws of physics cease to exist in your cue case...did you get your shafts from the same guy who sold jack his beans?..with apologies to Joe Pesci.. Oh and what happened to "I am only going to talk about this with Skip.. and the next post is a full blown one sided, mosly false account of what happened? I think its clear, and you probably shouldn't say anymore.

JV
 
classiccues said:
did you get your shafts from the same guy who sold jack his beans
JV

You mean that Skip sold Jack those bean stock beans to? Ahhh, that explains everything. Skip probably won't have to make me new shafts, they will eventually grow into nice, damaged free ones in a month or so. You are officially off my ignore list. I'm loving this....keep going! When you are ever out in Colorado, please stop by for a beer.

Regards,

Doug ;)
 
Salamander said:
You mean that Skip sold Jack those bean stock beans to? Ahhh, that explains everything. Skip probably won't have to make me new shafts, they will eventually grow into nice, damaged free ones in a month or so. You are officially off my ignore list. I'm loving this....keep going! When you are ever out in Colorado, please stop by for a beer.

Regards,

Doug ;)

Well since they seem to be growing according to you, 1 oz in 24 months, hell in a few years you might get some maple syrup. That must be some climate you have in Colorado.

You still haven't answered the question.. of course I don't expect you to admit you lied, where would the fun in that be. It would take away from all your ranting.

But just so you know the talley...

Sally says.. 2.5 oz for a year.. then writes 3.5 /3.2 oz when he send the shafts out, but never goes back to correct his misinformation even saying they were weighed by other cuemakers. Evidently all the scales in Colorado must be faulty.

Sally says.. I won't mention anything about the shafts... two posts later he rants like a loon again...

Sally says .. I got classiccues on ignore.. well less than 24hrs thats evidently not the case...

We don't have to keep going... I think mythbusters would be proud.

JV
 
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classiccues said:
Over 1600 posts... only 1550 or so debating cue design or defending friends..


JV

You haven't done either well, But I guess I'm just happy you're stalking someone new. You really should consider getting a life.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
You haven't done either well, But I guess I'm just happy you're stalking someone new. You really should consider getting a life.

Jim

Look in the mirror.. see who the stalker is.

JV
 
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