The magic of BATA

Nice article.

It shows in the article that Parica (Amang) is the bragger and whinner. What is he complaining about not being an HOF?

On the other hand, Reyes (Bata) is modest and humble. Always saying "Swerte lang." meaning "He was lucky."

Enough said.

rackmsuckr said:
I found this article written in 2004 in a Philipino magazine (pre Manalo):

Don't count
me out: Parica
By Manolo R. Iñigo
Inquirer News Service

PARDON Jose "Amang" Parica for complaining. He said the so-called experts of billiards didn't know what they were doing when they virtually ignored his past achievements at the pool table while heaping praises on his longtime rival, Efren "Bata" Reyes.

They were dumb, stressed the 57-year-old Parica, and even dumber to vote Reyes into the Billiards Congress of America (BCA) Hall of Fame in Las Vegas last year when the record will show that he has repeatedly beaten "The Magician" in previous meetings, winning about 70 percent of the time. And to make matters worse, Parica's name was not even mentioned during the Hall of Fame balloting, showing that there was no desire from among the BCA members to nominate him.

Also last year, Parica nearly won his first US Open 9-Ball championship, an event which Reyes topped in 1994. Parica placed second to Jeremy Jones, who beat him in the titular showdown, 11-4, after Jones "deliberately" slowed down play.

"He (Jones) shoots the ball, wipes his hand on a towel, powders his fingers, drinks some water, chalks his stick," Parica said in a postmortem interview with veteran writer Mike Geffner of Billiards Digest. "Every shot towel, powder, water, chalk. Whatever happened to the time clock?"

On this double whammy -- Reyes' induction into the Hall of Fame and his failure to win the US Open -- Parica said, "I've done everything I've wanted to do except two things: win the US Open and get into the Hall of Fame. After I have those, I'll be happy."

Now based in California, Parica is a true-blue Manileño. He was the country's No. 1 pool player before Reyes and Francisco "Django" Bustamante became household names. A holder of an associate degree in engineering from Mapua Institute of Technology, Parica first broke into billiards prominence when he won the Philippine Open 8-Ball title in 1979. He later lined up his pockets with cold cash by posting sizzling victories in Japan, Taiwan and the United States, where he was dubbed "The Leader of the Philippine Invasion" which changed the face of the American 9-ball scene forever.

But Parica is mad that it has been his fate for years -- no matter what he does -- to live in the shadow of Reyes, who, in pool circles, is so highly revered. Parica, who paved the way for Reyes' stint in the US, just doesn't understand why people rate him so much lower than Reyes.

"Efren and I, we play so many times," Parica told Billiards Digest. "We play more than a hundred times gambling and I win most of the time. I think I'm a better player than Efren when it comes to playing for money. I mean, he's a great player and he's tough to beat, but he beats me only when I'm not ready. People just like his game because he's so creative. My game isn't a carnival. I am simple and consistent but dangerous."

Parica started big-time in the US in 1986 when he beat the legendary Nick Varner, 11-10, at the Clyde Childress Open in Lexington, Kentucky. Since then, he has won more than 100 big and small tournaments.

An original member of the powerhouse Puyat Sports Team bankrolled by brothers Popit and Putch Puyat, Parica played alongside Reyes, Bustamante, Leonardo Andam and Rodolfo Luat in the tough US circuit for more than two decades.

In 1997, Parica finally did the country proud when he was named the world's No. 1 billiards player, winning the seven-leg Camel Pro Billiards Tour and the bonus prize of 30,000 dollars. In the opening leg of the Camel Tour, Parica beat no other than Reyes at the Legends of 9-Ball Tournament held in Los Angeles.

Recalling Parica's victory over Reyes, pool writer Dave Thomson said, "Parica was clearly the underdog in the final (most anybody is when playing Reyes). But Reyes was in error mode, allowing Parica too many turns to the table of which he made great use. Partly it was Parica's break that led him to win. It seemed to send the 9-ball consistently toward the corner pocket, needing only a simple run to combo or carom it in."

Parica would later cite Luat as being influential in strengthening his break. "I noticed we are about the same size, and yet, he has so much power and accuracy," Parica said. "So I asked him to teach me how he did it. He showed me how and it worked for me."

He said he has no plans to retire in the near future. "If I'm not making any money anymore in pool, I'll either work with my wife (in home healthcare) or open a pool hall or a billiard store."

On his running rivalry with Reyes, Parica said neither he nor Reyes is the best Filipino player anymore. "It's Django Bustamante," he told Geffner.
 
rackmsuckr said:
I found this article written in 2004 in a Philipino magazine (pre Manalo):

Don't count
me out: Parica
By Manolo R. Iñigo
Inquirer News Service

PARDON Jose "Amang" Parica for complaining. He said the so-called experts of billiards didn't know what they were doing when they virtually ignored his past achievements at the pool table while heaping praises on his longtime rival, Efren "Bata" Reyes.

They were dumb, stressed the 57-year-old Parica, and even dumber to vote Reyes into the Billiards Congress of America (BCA) Hall of Fame in Las Vegas last year when the record will show that he has repeatedly beaten "The Magician" in previous meetings, winning about 70 percent of the time. And to make matters worse, Parica's name was not even mentioned during the Hall of Fame balloting, showing that there was no desire from among the BCA members to nominate him.

Also last year, Parica nearly won his first US Open 9-Ball championship, an event which Reyes topped in 1994. Parica placed second to Jeremy Jones, who beat him in the titular showdown, 11-4, after Jones "deliberately" slowed down play.

"He (Jones) shoots the ball, wipes his hand on a towel, powders his fingers, drinks some water, chalks his stick," Parica said in a postmortem interview with veteran writer Mike Geffner of Billiards Digest. "Every shot towel, powder, water, chalk. Whatever happened to the time clock?"

On this double whammy -- Reyes' induction into the Hall of Fame and his failure to win the US Open -- Parica said, "I've done everything I've wanted to do except two things: win the US Open and get into the Hall of Fame. After I have those, I'll be happy."

Now based in California, Parica is a true-blue Manileño. He was the country's No. 1 pool player before Reyes and Francisco "Django" Bustamante became household names. A holder of an associate degree in engineering from Mapua Institute of Technology, Parica first broke into billiards prominence when he won the Philippine Open 8-Ball title in 1979. He later lined up his pockets with cold cash by posting sizzling victories in Japan, Taiwan and the United States, where he was dubbed "The Leader of the Philippine Invasion" which changed the face of the American 9-ball scene forever.

But Parica is mad that it has been his fate for years -- no matter what he does -- to live in the shadow of Reyes, who, in pool circles, is so highly revered. Parica, who paved the way for Reyes' stint in the US, just doesn't understand why people rate him so much lower than Reyes.

"Efren and I, we play so many times," Parica told Billiards Digest. "We play more than a hundred times gambling and I win most of the time. I think I'm a better player than Efren when it comes to playing for money. I mean, he's a great player and he's tough to beat, but he beats me only when I'm not ready. People just like his game because he's so creative. My game isn't a carnival. I am simple and consistent but dangerous."

Parica started big-time in the US in 1986 when he beat the legendary Nick Varner, 11-10, at the Clyde Childress Open in Lexington, Kentucky. Since then, he has won more than 100 big and small tournaments.

An original member of the powerhouse Puyat Sports Team bankrolled by brothers Popit and Putch Puyat, Parica played alongside Reyes, Bustamante, Leonardo Andam and Rodolfo Luat in the tough US circuit for more than two decades.

In 1997, Parica finally did the country proud when he was named the world's No. 1 billiards player, winning the seven-leg Camel Pro Billiards Tour and the bonus prize of 30,000 dollars. In the opening leg of the Camel Tour, Parica beat no other than Reyes at the Legends of 9-Ball Tournament held in Los Angeles.

Recalling Parica's victory over Reyes, pool writer Dave Thomson said, "Parica was clearly the underdog in the final (most anybody is when playing Reyes). But Reyes was in error mode, allowing Parica too many turns to the table of which he made great use. Partly it was Parica's break that led him to win. It seemed to send the 9-ball consistently toward the corner pocket, needing only a simple run to combo or carom it in."

Parica would later cite Luat as being influential in strengthening his break. "I noticed we are about the same size, and yet, he has so much power and accuracy," Parica said. "So I asked him to teach me how he did it. He showed me how and it worked for me."

He said he has no plans to retire in the near future. "If I'm not making any money anymore in pool, I'll either work with my wife (in home healthcare) or open a pool hall or a billiard store."

On his running rivalry with Reyes, Parica said neither he nor Reyes is the best Filipino player anymore. "It's Django Bustamante," he told Geffner.


I've always thought Parica was an underated
player. I'll say this: I've seen more near
perfect sets from Parica than from any other
player.
I mean sets with an accu-stats average well
over .900
 
That is the point I have always tried to stress to everyone.

cuetechasaurus said:
Did Mosconi play all games like Efren? Nope. How can being a master at one game make you a better player than a master at so many games?
Pick any 5 games, 9 ball, 8 ball rotation, one pocket, 3 cushion, 14.1, just any 5 games. I don't think any player now or past could outplay Efren the majority of the games. I'm not saying he would never lose to someone, because there are a lot of versatile players out there. But overall, day in day out, I'd bet all I could get my hands on and bet it all on Efren against anyone. Mosconi was great, so was Greenleaf, BUT OVERALL, it's Efren. Sam
 
bud green said:
Freddie says Efren is world class at straight rail
.

that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. efren does great if he can get 30 points in straight rail. some of the greats who have mastered the rail nurse could run THOUSANDS! .....that's THOUSANDS

caudron ran 300 and out in balkline which is much much harder than straight rail because you have to send a ball to a rail every third point.

pocketless tables are the one venue that neither snooker nor pool players have a clue against the professionals. snooker players might go great on pool tables and pool players may occasionally do extremely well in snooker,,, but both are babies on a billiard table.
 
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Deno J. Andrews said:
Hi Bud,

...

As far as Efren beating SL, I watched him take SL off for a very large sum of money playing 1 cushion. In 3-cushion Efren didn't have a chance...he knew it and never played as far as I know. They didn't play balkline as far as I know. SL was a great player, but 1 cushion was not his game.

...
Deno

it's true that cushion caroms was not sang lee's game, but it's hard to conclude that efren is the better cushion carom player from just one game. cushion carom runs are not much different from stright pool runs, and i don't suppose anyone would suggest that after one game of straight pool, the winner is certainly the better player. i would have to put sang lee as the favorite against efren in any carom game, though the point is moot now that, sadly, he's gone.

also, i have to concur with bruin70 in that there are probably over a hundred billiard players in each of the carom disciplines that can handily beat efren. if true, that would hardly put efren in the "world class." (i think a rather conservative definition of world class is anybody who has at least 1 in 100 chance of winning a tournament containing the top players.) i'm not saying that efren is not a really good straight rail or balkline player; i just doubt that he's world class. now, had he specialized in carom billiards he may well have been world class. of course, we will only know for sure if he enters the top carom tournaments.

william
 
what parica did not tell you is one of the reasons why his self imposed exile to the US.embarrasment
It was 'color of money version in the philippines' in the early eighties.
Parica was the considered king in philippine billiard even having his own TV commercial from San miguel and a celebrity status.Reyes was just an up and coming star.
A showdown was arrange i think for two days on national TV..well what do you know
parica was blown away.After which it was efren who got the endorsement from TC commercials and a new king of phillipine pool was born
 
satman said:
Pick any 5 games, 9 ball, 8 ball rotation, one pocket, 3 cushion, 14.1, just any 5 games. I don't think any player now or past could outplay Efren the majority of the games. I'm not saying he would never lose to someone, because there are a lot of versatile players out there. But overall, day in day out, I'd bet all I could get my hands on and bet it all on Efren against anyone. Mosconi was great, so was Greenleaf, BUT OVERALL, it's Efren. Sam

only from lack of knowledge of the carom world can you make such a challenge. efren reyes would have absolutely no chance against frederic caudron in any of the following: three-cushion, cushion caroms, 72.2 (27.2) balkline, 47.2 (18.2) balkline, 47.1 (18.1) balkline, and straight rail. that's six games in which efren has not a prayer against caudron. we could even replace caudron with ceulemans--at 65 years old no less--and still efren would have no shot in any of those games.

but you probably were imagining at least a few pocket games. even so, i would take torbjorn blomdahl over efren reyes in the majority of these games: nine-ball, snooker, three-cushion, five-pin, and english billiards. this at least would be fair. for we have two pocket games, two carom games, and one game which is a combination of the two. here's how i would size it up.

nine-ball: slight edge to efren. while blomdahl has beaten efren several times in exhibitions (i have one such tape where blomdahl creams efren 9-5 in japan), reyes has more experience.

snooker: slight edge to efren. both have shown to be decent snooker players (though neither is close to the level of the top snooker players). efren gets the nod mainly since he primarily plays pocket games.

three-cushion: blomdahl almost certainly. efren is a 1.0 player. at best he'll play 1.2, maybe 1.3, but that's a stretch. blomdahl plays nearly 2.0, consistently. no contest.

five-pin: blomdahl most likely. he grew up playing this game.

english billiards: slight edge to blomdahl. just my feeling.

as you can see, if my analysis is accurate, blomdahl would be the favorite. at any rate, efren is far, far from a lock to win. also keep this in mind: the five games that i chose represent the complete game far more than the ones you list. if we use your list, which is heavily weighted towards pool games, then yes, efren is a clear favorite.

william
 
hanisch said:
only from lack of knowledge of the carom world can you make such a challenge. efren reyes would have absolutely no chance against frederic caudron in any of the following: three-cushion, cushion caroms, 72.2 (27.2) balkline, 47.2 (18.2) balkline, 47.1 (18.1) balkline, and straight rail. that's six games in which efren has not a prayer against caudron. we could even replace caudron with ceulemans--at 65 years old no less--and still efren would have no shot in any of those games.

but you probably were imagining at least a few pocket games. even so, i would take torbjorn blomdahl over efren reyes in the majority of these games: nine-ball, snooker, three-cushion, five-pin, and english billiards. this at least would be fair. for we have two pocket games, two carom games, and one game which is a combination of the two. here's how i would size it up.

nine-ball: slight edge to efren. while blomdahl has beaten efren several times in exhibitions (i have one such tape where blomdahl creams efren 9-5 in japan), reyes has more experience.

snooker: slight edge to efren. both have shown to be decent snooker players (though neither is close to the level of the top snooker players). efren gets the nod mainly since he primarily plays pocket games.

three-cushion: blomdahl almost certainly. efren is a 1.0 player. at best he'll play 1.2, maybe 1.3, but that's a stretch. blomdahl plays nearly 2.0, consistently. no contest.

five-pin: blomdahl most likely. he grew up playing this game.

english billiards: slight edge to blomdahl. just my feeling.

as you can see, if my analysis is accurate, blomdahl would be the favorite. at any rate, efren is far, far from a lock to win. also keep this in mind: the five games that i chose represent the complete game far more than the ones you list. if we use your list, which is heavily weighted towards pool games, then yes, efren is a clear favorite.

william

You sure do know your carom billiards. We need more billiard aficionados like you here in this forum, to help balance out the number of pool and snooker fanatics. I've always thought that 3C billiards is by far the hardest billiard game compared to pool and snooker. Welcome. :)
 
whoa! u just answered a question that intrigued me for so long... lol


tfdr said:
what parica did not tell you is one of the reasons why his self imposed exile to the US.embarrasment
It was 'color of money version in the philippines' in the early eighties.
Parica was the considered king in philippine billiard even having his own TV commercial from San miguel and a celebrity status.Reyes was just an up and coming star.
A showdown was arrange i think for two days on national TV..well what do you know
parica was blown away.After which it was efren who got the endorsement from TC commercials and a new king of phillipine pool was born
 
DoomCue said:
NaClBandit said:
Here you go....

efren.JPG

-djb

WOW!________________
 
tfdr said:
what parica did not tell you is one of the reasons why his self imposed exile to the US.embarrasment
It was 'color of money version in the philippines' in the early eighties.
Parica was the considered king in philippine billiard even having his own TV commercial from San miguel and a celebrity status.Reyes was just an up and coming star.
A showdown was arrange i think for two days on national TV..well what do you know
parica was blown away.After which it was efren who got the endorsement from TC commercials and a new king of phillipine pool was born


No wonder Parica is keen on playing under the USA flag. He really wanted to be part of Mosconi Cup USA team about 2 years ago. I think there was a rumor about UPA choice and Charlie Williams choice.

If Parica starts playing for USA and people know the story behind Parica and Efren that will be the greatest rivalry ever.
 
hanisch said:
only from lack of knowledge of the carom world can you make such a challenge. efren reyes would have absolutely no chance against frederic caudron in any of the following: three-cushion, cushion caroms, 72.2 (27.2) balkline, 47.2 (18.2) balkline, 47.1 (18.1) balkline, and straight rail. that's six games in which efren has not a prayer against caudron. we could even replace caudron with ceulemans--at 65 years old no less--and still efren would have no shot in any of those games.

but you probably were imagining at least a few pocket games. even so, i would take torbjorn blomdahl over efren reyes in the majority of these games: nine-ball, snooker, three-cushion, five-pin, and english billiards. this at least would be fair. for we have two pocket games, two carom games, and one game which is a combination of the two. here's how i would size it up.

nine-ball: slight edge to efren. while blomdahl has beaten efren several times in exhibitions (i have one such tape where blomdahl creams efren 9-5 in japan), reyes has more experience.

snooker: slight edge to efren. both have shown to be decent snooker players (though neither is close to the level of the top snooker players). efren gets the nod mainly since he primarily plays pocket games.

three-cushion: blomdahl almost certainly. efren is a 1.0 player. at best he'll play 1.2, maybe 1.3, but that's a stretch. blomdahl plays nearly 2.0, consistently. no contest.

five-pin: blomdahl most likely. he grew up playing this game.

english billiards: slight edge to blomdahl. just my feeling.

as you can see, if my analysis is accurate, blomdahl would be the favorite. at any rate, efren is far, far from a lock to win. also keep this in mind: the five games that i chose represent the complete game far more than the ones you list. if we use your list, which is heavily weighted towards pool games, then yes, efren is a clear favorite.

william[/
FYI,the reason that bloomdahl will beat efren in billiards(2 and 3 cushion only) is because efren stopped playing carom/balkline/billiards in the late seventies,,,(again fYI, efren ventured in billiards in the philippines during mid 70"s because no one can beat him and nobody wants to play him in pocket billiards in the phil)
after couple of years ,,nobody could beat him in billiards.sp he stopped again and went back to pocket billiards.
had he continued and stayed in the billiards discipline --bloomdahl would not stand a chance.on snooker...efren never played snooker before(maybe couple of times),,,but sometimes in the 80's ,,,during asian billiards "olympics", he was asked if can play snooker since we did not have any representative good enough to play snooker,,guess what ...he placed third among asia's best on a game he never played before,,how is that for being great...had he stayed in snooker...ronnie and your "man" won't stand a chance.
and so on and so on...
 
mjantti said:
That man is pure magic, pure magic. Just watched him playing Jim Rempe in Legends of 9-ball semifinal from 1996. The run-out at double hill 10 a piece must be one of the most amazing run-outs I've ever seen. He gets out of line frequently but always recovers with amazing shots and the 7-ball is a pure jaw-dropper. He has a nasty little shot cueball frozen to the rail and looks imminent that he will scratch if he slow rolls it in. So at 10-10, he fires the 7-ball in like 100mph and avoids the scratch and gets slightly lucky at the position for the 8. But the shot selection and execution under serious pressure is pure magic. Here's the shot:

START(
%GQ1U5%HR4T8%Ik6F6%P^9Z8%QV1G3%Ur4H1%Vk4G8%WR5V8%X]9Z4%YC7D2
%ZP5T8%[C5X8%\G7[4%]k2H2%^C4X4%eB5`8%_H6[3%`P2X0%aQ8V5%bY0G9
%ce5G8%ds0H2
)END

here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjiz9xVqrpE
 
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