The N.U.T.S.

SUPERSTAR said:
There are a few players that usually dominate in certain regions and have a greater chance of say finishing in the top 25%. I would assume that the income they gain on the regionals might be worth more to them, when compared to the POSSIBLE income they can achieve when compared to the fields they might encounter at the big time events at the top of the system.
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Well, that’s the trick to this whole thing, isn’t it?

Making the big time events very appealing (or lucrative) so players would want to climb this ladder system to the top and stay there.

SUPERSTAR said:
Like how would they feel if they could never go back to those tournaments to make money?
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Players should also have a means to return down the ladder, rather than being pushed off it.

Rick
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Oh yeah...one more thought.

If the top 25% are no longer allowed to play in the lower events, what does this mean for the people that use these events to supplement their income.

There are a few players that usually dominate in certain regions and have a greater chance of say finishing in the top 25%. I would assume that the income they gain on the regionals might be worth more to them, when compared to the POSSIBLE income they can achieve when compared to the fields they might encounter at the big time events at the top of the system.

Like how would they feel if they could never go back to those tournaments to make money?

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No you read it wrong. They cannot compete in the "Regional" or "National" events which are used to determine who is entitled to play in the television events. Players that are eligible to compete in the television rounds remain eligible to compete in all local events.

In otherwords, nobody is stopping them from going back to the Joss tour and winning week after week. All this does is say that once you're in, you can't play in those regional & national events again.

For example: If Danny Basavich places in the top 6 of a Joss event, he will be allowed to compete in the Regionals. If he does well there, he'll be allowed to compete in the Nationals. If he does well there, he'll be allowed to compete in the television rounds. Once he's accomplished this, he can still play in Joss events but he cannot compete in higher-level events that are designed to qualify players for the television round.
 
I think the N.U.T.S. ..............

I think the N.U.T.S. sounds like "The Nuts"!
& if you think I won't gamble - Just Give Me The N.U.T.S. - OR - "The Nuts"!

TY & GL
 
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Best I can do for you all right now!

Hey everyone - this is Ceci from Planet-Pool. This announcement is a bit overwhelming for everyone, we're definitely excited. A lot of business with Janis was finished at Valley Forge - and we are all so excited about working as a team instead of against each other. Kudos to Janis for the legwork he has put in to this concept.

As for the details - the fine tuning is still being worked on as you can see. Mike J is currently at the BCA Expo spreading the word and will be around the earlier part of next week. Otherwise, I am sure he would have already responded to your questions in greater detail.

Plant-Pool's first qualifying event will be Salisbury April 16-17. We will be announcing some of details during the player meeting (sorry guys - this does mean Nick's meeting will be longer - but it will definitely be worth it)

A couple of the questions I can answer for now...

Each tour will have it's own regular membership fees and event entry fees. There will be an additional $2 per player entry fee (at each event) that will be the NUTS fee. The reason it is per event - each event is a qualifier.

As Mike mentioned in his press release, the next four months will be qualifying for the Allen Hopkins SKINS event. We have a $5000 paid seat already for that event - players will play local events, then regional events, then a national. Winner takes the seat in the SKINS game.

As Mike mentioned, this is just the start. It's one peice at a time, and the separate tours are dedicated to making this happen. The whole proposition is part of a vision that each tour has had individually, but have not been able to complete on their own. Unifying and strengthening the sport, bringing in larger sponsors (especially non-billiard commercial sponsors); and heading in the direction of so many other sports - something the fans will want to track and follow.

I know you all have plenty of additional questions - and I hate to keep you hanging - but as it was mentioned before, this is the very first time tours have combined efforts on this large of a scale, and there is a lot of final pieces that need to be put in place.

Keep your ears open, and your eyes on the press releases.
 
Superstroke said:
Why is everyone so concerned about the UPA?

What good does it do if they "jump on board"?

Why not just ignore them altogether, and start a N.U.T.S. tour, with N.U.T.S. rules and regulations to be controlled by the N.U.T.S.?

Superstroke
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The UPA is a tour and the goal for NUTS is to Unify tours. If the UPA and NUTS were able to work together, as they should, then the transition of NUTS and it's goals should run quite smooth. If the biggest of all the tours (UPA) were not to cooperate, it would cause needless headaches. Just ignoring the UPA would cause animosity, which obviously isn't the goal here. I have absolutely no idea if Mike's game plan includes the UPA or not. I am simply posting by ASSumption at this point. Regardless of whether the UPA jumps on board or not, NUTS can work. As it currently stands, the UPA can cut other tours off at the knee's (BJ's quote). If NUTS can come to fruition, it will be a much larger group than the UPA which will take away the leverage that the UPA currently has. In my "I really know nothing opinion", the NUTS can work with or without the UPA but I think it would be in everyone's best interest to try to include the UPA in this organization.... New UNIFIED Tour System.... think Unity, not animosity.
 
Ok, i see what your saying about me reading it wrong.

But then the question is the same question that the women have had to deal with on the NEWT tour.

If the field has certain players that make it to the top level of the system, and they can't play in the middle two levels.

What happens to the guys who WOULD have qualified in the lowest level, but are knocked out by the top guys?

See what i'm saying?

How would you then determine the top 8 that get selected to move on if you have players that are already qualified for the top level tournaments, playing and knocking people out?
Because if the top guys WERE allowed, that might taint the qualification system.
Plus. Say the top guy wins as expected...and wins all the prize money. What happens to the other guys who qualified, but now have to dig in their pockets to come up with cash to continue.

Most qualifying systems, have a qualifier type scenario, with cash added to go towards the tournament they qualified for. If this is a system that the player has to keep on diggin in their pockets to come up with more and more cash only to get knocked out further down the road, it might not be as appealing.


I'm sure you understand my point. It's just a touchy issue cause now it's becoming not just a who is the best player qualified, it can come down to...who dodged the bullet and had the cushy draw with the TOP guys involved...and who did the top guys eliminate that didn't get to make the final 8. Even thought they might have gotten their chance had the top guys already moved on to the big time and not been there to eliminate them.

SUPERSTAR
 
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Timberly said:
The UPA is a tour and the goal for NUTS is to Unify tours. If the UPA and NUTS were able to work together, as they should, then the transition of NUTS and it's goals should run quite smooth. If the biggest of all the tours (UPA) were not to cooperate, it would cause needless headaches. Just ignoring the UPA would cause animosity, which obviously isn't the goal here. I have absolutely no idea if Mike's game plan includes the UPA or not. I am simply posting by ASSumption at this point. Regardless of whether the UPA jumps on board or not, NUTS can work. As it currently stands, the UPA can cut other tours off at the knee's (BJ's quote). If NUTS can come to fruition, it will be a much larger group than the UPA which will take away the leverage that the UPA currently has. In my "I really know nothing opinion", the NUTS can work with or without the UPA but I think it would be in everyone's best interest to try to include the UPA in this organization.... New UNIFIED Tour System.... think Unity, not animosity.
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Timberly,
The UPA is NOT a tour. It is a players ASSOCIATION.

United States Professional Pool Players Association.

That's where I think the problem lies, they need to focus on representing players by saying to promoters "IF you sanction your event with us these players are on our membership and will/might play in your event"

NOT going to promoters saying "If you DON'T sanction with us we will try to undermine the event you are trying to put on"

It's an association that to succeed, needs to have unity within THEMSELVES first!
 
Ok guys how does this affect the women? Almost all of these tours have a women's tourney that is separate AND the women can play in the open. Are the women allowed to win these q'ers?? If so what happens when they get into the higher tiers?

CC- if they are not eligible for the q'ers, do the women still have pay the $2 to play???
 
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landshark77 said:
Ok guys how does this affect the women? Almost all of these tours have a women's tourney that is separate AND the women can play in the open. Are the women allowed to win these q'ers?? If so what happens when they get into the higher tiers?

CC- if they are not eligible for the q'ers, do the women still have pay the $2 to play???
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AND if the answer is yes, how does the WPBA feel about this?? Several Pros are known for their participation on the various regional tours. For some reason I can see the WPBA pitching a fit because, say, Karen Corr q'ed all the way up to the SKINS event. JMHO.
 
Not so fast... there are some issues that need reviewed

This is a stretch to say the least...

Pool Room owners, players, regional promoters, national promoters, TV, pro players (men and women), pro tournament promoters (men and women), Casinos... All working together? And, of course, the sponsers.. all of them..

And, who is going to be the 'official' ruling body? will the World Standard rules apply at all levels? if so, does that mean the Pro-Rules (they are different than the World Sandard Rules) are out the window?

I would love to see this in my life time..... ;)
 
stevelomako said:
Timberly,
The UPA is NOT a tour. It is a players ASSOCIATION.

United States Professional Pool Players Association.

That's where I think the problem lies, they need to focus on representing players by saying to promoters "IF you sanction your event with us these players are on our membership and will/might play in your event"

NOT going to promoters saying "If you DON'T sanction with us we will try to undermine the event you are trying to put on"

It's an association that to succeed, needs to have unity within THEMSELVES first!
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Hence the reason I made it a point to state "in my I know nothing opinion". :p

I've only recently gotten back into pool and I'm not really familiar with all the good, bad, & ugly that has gotten so many people riled up against the UPA. The last time I was "in the know" when it came to pool, CJ Wiley was trying to get his thing (can't remember what he called it) off the ground. I'm really not qualified to have an opinion about it either way. I will say that undermining tours that don't sanction them is a gross misconduct and is nothing short of bullying. If MJ and the powers that be can get this thing off and running, I do believe these tactics will come back to haunt them. Be careful of the toes you step on today for they might be attached to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow. The pool world would be a better place if the tours and associations could get along and work together. If that can happen with the UPA then that would be great, if they don't want to cooperate, then so be it. This can and will be bigger than they are if it can get off the ground. I wish MJ and everyone the best on this. I'll be sitting here on the rail sweatin it. :cool:
 
well at least with this catchy name, if the UPA doesn't like it..........mike can tell them to kiss, or lick..........the N.U.T.S.............. :rolleyes: :D :cool:


sorry, no one made a joke of it, so i had to be the first...........


and i think this should turn ALL the tours into 10 ball...........

VAP
 
Timberly said:
Hence the reason I made it a point to state "in my I know nothing opinion". :p

I've only recently gotten back into pool and I'm not really familiar with all the good, bad, & ugly that has gotten so many people riled up against the UPA. The last time I was "in the know" when it came to pool, CJ Wiley was trying to get his thing (can't remember what he called it) off the ground. I'm really not qualified to have an opinion about it either way. I will say that undermining tours that don't sanction them is a gross misconduct and is nothing short of bullying. If MJ and the powers that be can get this thing off and running, I do believe these tactics will come back to haunt them. Be careful of the toes you step on today for they might be attached to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow. The pool world would be a better place if the tours and associations could get along and work together. If that can happen with the UPA then that would be great, if they don't want to cooperate, then so be it. This can and will be bigger than they are if it can get off the ground. I wish MJ and everyone the best on this. I'll be sitting here on the rail sweatin it. :cool:
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Hey, You're qualified to have any opinion you want. I like reading your post's, you're interested, you want to know and you're funny. The comment about the toes cracked me up but I hope no one has toes on their ass.......hmmmm.......maybe thats why you see some guys scratching their asses so much.........its their toes that are itching.
 
stevelomako said:
The comment about the toes cracked me up but I hope no one has toes on their ass.......hmmmm.......maybe thats why you see some guys scratching their asses so much.........its their toes that are itching.
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I couldn't for the life of me, and still can't remember exactly how the saying goes... sometimes you gotta close you're eye's and swing... that's what I did. :D

Back to the topic at hand.... There's a lot of great questions and concerns out there as far as how this will work. That's exactly what MJ was asking to happen and you guys need to keep voicing these. They need your input... questions, ideas, concerns, etc in order to see things from all perspectives. They can come up with the idea as they have, and they can sign people up on the basic premise of the idea, as they have done and are continuing to try to do. Once those things have happened they'll come together to hammer out the details. This is where this thread will come into play. They can think they've covered everything and then someone here will pose a question of something they never thought about. Having said that, c'mon folks, get that little rat spinning the wheel upstairs and think of all the pros & cons you can come up with and voice them along with all your concerns and questions.

(insert a little cheerleader smiley face here)
 
I think that the NUTS system would work well in improving the US situation to try to qualify for the WPC:

WPC Press Release Qualy System: www.worldpoolchampionship.com

At the moment, it seems UPA focused, and not enough non-UPA and regional participation.

The fact that the winner and runner-up of BCA Open is given a spot, when the BCA Open is a 32 man UPA Invitational, AND the fact that the UPA top 12 ranked players go to WPC, means we will be seeing the same old players and not developing new US talent.

JMO ;)
 
Update

I don't really have any details and promised to keep mum on the couple that I was given but I just spoke to MJ and he said to let everyone know that things are going really well.

MJ has his heart & soul into making this work for the game, the players, and the fans of the game. This isn't a selfish endeavor and for that alone he has my respect.

He doesn't really have access to the computer right now and as you can imagine, he's going non stop while he's out there. He has been getting phone calls with updates about what's being posted here so he knows we're behind him on this. Knowing that people support this is not only a confidence booster for him and helps give him the drive to continue, but it also helps bring more people and companies to the table because they know their customers support the idea.

Have a great day everyone,

Your resident cheerleader
(I couldn't be one in real life... gotta luv the internet) :D
 
vapoolplayer said:
well at least with this catchy name, if the UPA doesn't like it..........mike can tell them to kiss, or lick..........the N.U.T.S.............. :rolleyes: :D :cool:


sorry, no one made a joke of it, so i had to be the first...........


VAP
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VAP,

I'm glad someone finally had "the NUTS" to do it :D .

Mike
 
This plan just seems so mind boggling and overwhelming to me. Just trying to coordinate all the TD's and get them to report to one central body seems like a formidable task. And then to get the TD to collect money from their players and turn it over to that body seems a stretch. The TD's are not making any money now so why would they do all the work they are doing just to make some money for someone else? There has to be some way to compensate the TD's to get their cooperation.

And who would set up, coordinate, and run all of these regional tournaments? Talk about a conflict of tournaments now what would it be like with all these added tournaments? There are only 4 weekends in most months.

Are there enough hours in the day to manage the logistics and record keeping involved in tracking all of the tours? To maintain a website? To operate/own a computer with the proper program for the database?

Now if the TV appearances become reality then that would be the carrot to get the players to cough up the extra money. Look at the WPBA, there are plenty of women who play every month hoping against all odds that they will have one great day and win enough matches to get to the TV rounds when they really have no chance of accomplishing that.

But then who would have thought the APA would ever have grown as large as it has?

Jake
 
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