jjinfla said:
why does that not surprise me...........
jjinfla said:
are you some failed poolplayer.........or do the women in florida beat you that bad that you always have something to say about them????
VAP
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why does that not surprise me...........
are you some failed poolplayer.........or do the women in florida beat you that bad that you always have something to say about them????
VAP
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You have to realize that while this is new to us, it's not new to MJ and the others. This has been thought about and mulled over for yrs. When the desert dust settles in Vegas and everyone gets back home from the weekend, I'm sure we'll be enlightened and many of your questions will be answered.jjinfla said:
If this actually becomes a reality I would be the first to say Holy Crap.
It just sounds too much like 3 guys sitting around at 3:00 in the morning after a huge party... "Yea we could own a bar.... maannnn... Bobby you could tend bar and Jimmy could cook burgers in the back... We wouldn't ever have to pay for drinks..." while they are using Jimmy as a foot rest because he just passed out.
JV
It just sounds too much like 3 guys sitting around at 3:00 in the morning after a huge party... "Yea we could own a bar.... maannnn... Bobby you could tend bar and Jimmy could cook burgers in the back... We wouldn't ever have to pay for drinks..." while they are using Jimmy as a foot rest because he just passed out.
JV
Johnny "V" said:
how do you think the UPA got started???? LOL
VAP
vapoolplayer said:why does that not surprise me...........
are you some failed poolplayer.........or do the women in florida beat you that bad that you always have something to say about them????
VAP
Hey VAP if that confuses you then you have no clue at all.
And if you can't debate the logic then of course you must attack the person.
Just the name N.U.T.S. lends itself to ridicule. I don't see TV accepting that name.
As for me being a poolplayer - hell no - I'm a donator at the local tournaments. But I do enjoy it. But last year I did win over $1500 in local tournaments. Not bad for an old guy who doesn't take the game all that seriously.
Why do you state that I am being critical of the women when all I am doing is being realistic? How many of them actually do get on TV? But they all want to don't they? How many of them would play if there was no TV?
This reminds me of an old class B Mickey Rooney movie where they are sitting around saying: you can sing, I can dance we have friends who can help and I know where there is an old barn we can fix up and they pull off a million dollar extravaganza and don't have two quarters between them.
Okay VAP, do you really think a TD is going to go out and collect money to turn it over to N.U.T.S. That would be nuts. Hell, even the policy runners in Chi Town got a cut of the action. And it turned out to be quite a big cut on those twenty five cent bets.
But who knows, maybe Mike can pull it off. It all depends on what the TD's think, not what you or I think.
Jake
Johnny "V" said:
Johnny V and Jake,
Please bear in mind that MJ is no rookie at this. He has been running a very successful tour for years and from what I have seen his events are always well-run and top-notch.
There's reason to be optimistic about this.
I hope this idea, or some version of this comes into place. Sounds like it would be good for the players. I believe the name would have to change before it becomes a reality though.
<--of course the WSOP has a segment called "The NUTS", so who knows if sponsors/tv deals would let it fly.
<--of course the WSOP has a segment called "The NUTS", so who knows if sponsors/tv deals would let it fly.
Johnny "V" said:
I only know what I've read about this here and in the cover story, so I may be incorrect in my opinion, but here goes....
What you're describing in your post is the "idea" stage of value development. Lots of people have done what you described so funny and well. And it is worth a dime a dozen.
But this tour idea has gone beyond that. It has created a product, a prototype, if you will, for all to see and consider. And it seems many here are doing that.
The step they're taking now is to mass produce this product. This is harder, much harder.
Inherent in all of their activities is the hardest, but most profitable value, marketing. MJ is in Vegas someone said, selling his product. Right on, MJ!!! If he can convince others to buy into his NUTS (MJ, do some research on the acceptablilty of this name before commiting to it, please) money will follow. When reluctant others understand the product and see the value in it, why wouldn't they participate?...it'd be in their self-interest to do so.
Nothing good comes easy. Go, MJ, go!
Jeff Livingston
Visionaries...
People with 'Vision', are always seen as 'suspect' to those without vision...someone, someday has to step up and try something new, something nobody else thinks is possible, reasonable or even necessary...people are creatures of habit, even if their habit is killing them, they refuse and even fight change...it scares some people to think, 'hey this may work', because it is not familiar to them...and what if it does work?...then those who doubt will have no option but to change with the times...and we all know it is 'time' for something like this to happen in the Billiards community...
MJ, do the work, form the needed alliances, keep all of us in mind as you do this work and know that the average pool player will benefit from your efforts...
thx~
People with 'Vision', are always seen as 'suspect' to those without vision...someone, someday has to step up and try something new, something nobody else thinks is possible, reasonable or even necessary...people are creatures of habit, even if their habit is killing them, they refuse and even fight change...it scares some people to think, 'hey this may work', because it is not familiar to them...and what if it does work?...then those who doubt will have no option but to change with the times...and we all know it is 'time' for something like this to happen in the Billiards community...
MJ, do the work, form the needed alliances, keep all of us in mind as you do this work and know that the average pool player will benefit from your efforts...
thx~
90 pages, BIG print, a 60-minute read...
If there was ever a book that applies to this thread, it's "Who Moved My Cheese." It's definitely the NUTS.
http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/products/productDetails.asp?myCursor=1&categoryID=1&parentCatID=4
JMHO, FWIW!
JAM
If there was ever a book that applies to this thread, it's "Who Moved My Cheese." It's definitely the NUTS.
http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/products/productDetails.asp?myCursor=1&categoryID=1&parentCatID=4
JMHO, FWIW!
JAM
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Mike and my conversing has gone back years before this forum and believe me my comment was in no way directed at MJ's TD capability. I have no doubt that if anyone has the ability to pull a few of the tours together it would be Mike. But I will go out on a limb here (yea right) and guess that two things are going to happen here.
1) Most of the tours are not going to want to give up a piece of their share for the betterment of the sport/game.
2) If making the UPA the top of the food chain is the goal I am going to guess that they will state something along the lines that 'they cannot support something that they cannot administer.'
My reference in the post was based on the potential possibilities that have been posted in this thread. Reality is the reaction that the rest of the tours will have towards something like this is going to be interesting to say the least. All you have to do is look at the state of the tours right now and all the bickering that is going on. Double schedules, discrimination, bullying tactics does not sound like a group of people wanting to work together for the greater good. They are more like rodents trying to get the biggest piece of the cheese.
Like I said if it works... Fantastic!!! And I would play in as many N.U.T.S. tournies that I could afford. I say go for it MJ, I just thought my reference was amusing and wanted to share.
JV
1) Most of the tours are not going to want to give up a piece of their share for the betterment of the sport/game.
2) If making the UPA the top of the food chain is the goal I am going to guess that they will state something along the lines that 'they cannot support something that they cannot administer.'
My reference in the post was based on the potential possibilities that have been posted in this thread. Reality is the reaction that the rest of the tours will have towards something like this is going to be interesting to say the least. All you have to do is look at the state of the tours right now and all the bickering that is going on. Double schedules, discrimination, bullying tactics does not sound like a group of people wanting to work together for the greater good. They are more like rodents trying to get the biggest piece of the cheese.
Like I said if it works... Fantastic!!! And I would play in as many N.U.T.S. tournies that I could afford. I say go for it MJ, I just thought my reference was amusing and wanted to share.
JV
Weird thing is I have never heard a reference to this story until just this week and I have heard two in the past two days.JAM said:If there was ever a book that applies to this thread, it's "Who Moved My Cheese." It's definitely the NUTS.
http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/products/productDetails.asp?myCursor=1&categoryID=1&parentCatID=4
JMHO, FWIW!
JAM
JV<--- starting to get that funny feeling!
Planter's Peanuts seems an ideal sponsor - has anyone called them yet???
Nevermind the entire NUTS concept being overwhelming, these posts are crazy! I'm glad to see such a great response. While I'm in no position to answer all the questions that have been asked here, I will try to clarify some of them. Mike will address other concerns when he gets back from Vegas. Please remember that this whole thing is very new and that the entire structure laid out in the press release is a proposed structure which will be tweaked in the coming future. But as Ceci said, there is already one guaranteed spot for the NUTS national qualifier in Allen Hopkins' $130,000 added Skins Billiards Championship in November, so regional tour qualifiers are starting immediately. Our first one is next weekend, and the Hampton Ridge Tour has some coming up.
A local level event is any tour event of the tours that are currently part of the NUTS, for instance the Viking Tour, Planet Pool, Hampton Ridge, Fury, etc. Eight players (top 6 finishers plus 2 wildcards) per event from each of these tour events will qualify for the regional level qualifier.
If there aren't any close to you, you should start encouraging your local/regional tour operator to join the NUTS. We need tours all over the country to be involved in this, and as players, you have the power to demand that the tour that you play in also get a chance to offer qualifiers.
From sponsorship and from the $2 per player per event.
You will have to join one (or more) of the tours currently involved as a tour member, and then pay the $2 per tournament NUTS fee. No separate NUTS membership is necessary, but the only way you can get into the NUTS qualifiers is by playing on one of these tours.
As for UPA concerns, as far as I know the UPA will not immediately be part of the NUTS. The idea with the NUTS is to involve and unite REGIONAL tours under one big umbrella so that ultimately, pool can get major corporate sponsorship in order to give it its rightful place on the sports map. This could be pool's answer to poker...
frankncali said:
A local level event is any tour event of the tours that are currently part of the NUTS, for instance the Viking Tour, Planet Pool, Hampton Ridge, Fury, etc. Eight players (top 6 finishers plus 2 wildcards) per event from each of these tour events will qualify for the regional level qualifier.
If there aren't any close to you, you should start encouraging your local/regional tour operator to join the NUTS. We need tours all over the country to be involved in this, and as players, you have the power to demand that the tour that you play in also get a chance to offer qualifiers.
frankncali said:
From sponsorship and from the $2 per player per event.
frankncali said:
You will have to join one (or more) of the tours currently involved as a tour member, and then pay the $2 per tournament NUTS fee. No separate NUTS membership is necessary, but the only way you can get into the NUTS qualifiers is by playing on one of these tours.
As for UPA concerns, as far as I know the UPA will not immediately be part of the NUTS. The idea with the NUTS is to involve and unite REGIONAL tours under one big umbrella so that ultimately, pool can get major corporate sponsorship in order to give it its rightful place on the sports map. This could be pool's answer to poker...
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Timberly said:
Timberly, I have to correct you. The UPA is far from being the "biggest tour." Seven events a year--of which two events on their schedule have been in existence long before the UPA was established--the Super Billiards Expo event at VF and the BCA Open--at 64 players per event or less is not exactly big. The UPA just happens to be the only men's pro association with a tour schedule right now. I'm not talking them down--if it weren't for them there would be no professional organization at all--but in the three years they have been around, we haven't exactly seen an impact brought about by their presence. They have just filled the vacuum that was left after the Camel Pro Series died and not really accomplished anything more than that. The UPA cannot "cut off other tours at the knees." They are not strong enough for that. Maybe in the future, but not right now...
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!vapoolplayer said:
And THAT is why I like you VAP!
the women
Nick and Ceci....what about the women???
Nick and Ceci....what about the women???
PrinsNick said:
Any discussion about including Canada in the plans ? I don't know of any regional tours in Western Canada, but there are a couple in Southern Ontario (?), the Canadian Showdown and Canadian 10K.
As for my opinion, I feel this is an excellent idea and could be a great step forward in creating a cohesive professional pool tournament scene in North America. This seems one of the few ways where a real player ranking system can be implimented across the entire country or continent. JMO
Dave
jjinfla said:
Uh, my bet is all of them. You play pool because you love pool, not TV. If TV was the first priority don't you think they would be sweating the sets out in Hollywood and not the sets at the PH???
