The Pause

[hello]

So, when are we going to see that monster stroke?Or can you just perform it in 14.1 tourneys..?

 

[Frosty]

Oh my, well if the Shortstop on Pool says you must have a pause then that changes everything. I guess I’ll just have to reconstruct my entire stroke, F*ckouttahere

 

[HawaiianEye]

So, when are we going to see that monster stroke?Or can you just perform it in 14.1 tourneys..?

You said talk is cheap and I agree.

So, why are you talking instead of spending some money on airline tickets to Hawaii.

You could bring the old lady and let her lay on the beach while you come to the pool hall and I give you some free lessons.

 

[hello]

Let's see your ''monster'' stroke first to see if I even want to take lessons...I'm waiting...

 

[HawaiianEye]

Let's see your ''monster'' stroke first to see if I even want to take lessons...I'm waiting...

Your trip would be worth it.

I could get you off that APA-3 level and your team would appreciate it.

 

[hello]

Don't run now, just post a clip of your ''monster'' stroke.

What's the problem..?Are you afraid of getting brutally exposed..?

 

[dquarasr]

And then there is the hybrid pause and transition Efren employs, with an “extra” pre-stroke. Go to time stamp 24:00…

 

[ShootingArts]

And then there is the hybrid pause and transition Efren employs, with an “extra” pre-stroke. Go to time stamp 24:00…

"That's my boy, taught him everything he knows!"

Well, maybe not.(grin) However, that final practice stroke does the same thing my smooth transition does, connects the practice strokes to the final stroke. A stop at the transition seems to largely disconnect all of the practice strokes from the final stroke. With no pause at the transition the final stroke starts at the cue ball, goes backwards, transitions , and moves smoothly forwards. With the pause, the final stroke starts after the pause largely undoing the benefits of the practice strokes. So it seems to me anyway.

Hu

 

[Mensabum]

Yo

Shooters waggle is after you kick out your forward foot and you've then chosen your rear foot placement.
Often after I'm down on a Looooooong shot.... I'll pull up, keep all body parts the same and rotate my body & feet an 1'' or so left or right to correct my shot line..... then down on the shot and pocket the ball or miss and learn a little more about conditions.
Often times you'll see an 800 player do this on long shots, get back up and reset/reapproach.
But I've seen Filler before, and quite a few other Top pros, when they are completely down and getting set, he will reset/maybe change his back foot angle inward or outward a little, then SPF....a great term when helping players understand the swing.

you need to open up a bit on those shots.

 

[Mensabum]

There's also the rhythm (for lack of a better word) (FLOABW ?) of a sequence. Players with smooth chops can breeze through racks if the easy ones come up. Most prefer the safety of sane tempi and assured consistency. One thing that might help this group is to number the shots in a sequence. If you have 5 shots to get out, make sure you are aware of this and also count them as you go. At the very least, you wont interrupt yourself to breathe before you're done.
I think counting shots can help fortify the idea and ability of doing longer licks.

Warning, this is an advanced and highly technical method. If you experience runs longer than 8 racks, consult an instructor for assistance in managing the issue.

Leaves me out.

 

[Mensabum]

Yeah, I think I said in an earlier post Efren has a unique rhythm to his practice strokes and follow through with no pronounced pause. And his approach is very consistent/repetitive.

I think Mark was the major advocate of the deliberate pause. I can't say a bad word against it as he's created world champions using that method when all I create is chaos.

 

[Mensabum]

That "consistent/repetive part is the thing. Twenty years or longer ago few of the top pro's, particularly US pro's, had the same stroke. All self taught or taught by those without a guideline, they did whatever got them through the night! It was hard for some of them to go undercover, their stroke was their calling card.

Hu

The pause will certainly give it away. Can't hide that speed.

 

[Mensabum]

Hopkins stroke had no power.Many players with powerful strokes such as Buddy and Earl have a pause at the end the backstroke, none have jabbing stroke like Allen.

I have noticed a pause on players using a stroke slip.

 

[Mensabum]

He

Watched a lot of his videoed matches long ago. I can't remember him having an issue with power. He always had all he needed. An unusual stroke but no lack of power. As you say, his stroke did everything it needed to.

Hu

He let the cue do the work.

 

[gregcantrall]

Well after 6 pages that I quickly skimmed, I saw lots of discussion about arm muscles. It's the fingers that do the work. Well I guess the muscles that control the fingers are in the forearm..
My playing table tennis proofed that the fingers deliver the power. Playing baseball I learned that the fastball and change up and curve or slider All had the same body and arm movements. The fingers could change the pitch. A pitcher had to be able to disguise the pitch. With the same visible delivery, the subtle input of the fingers was much harder for a hitter to detect.
Piano players tickle the ivory. The subtle input from wrist and fingers deserves attention.
Most shots get a gentle caressing the break shot gets a bitch slap. .

 

[Paul Bell]

a pause can work for some. for many it gives the little bit of time for your muscles to tighten up and choke.

Pausing according to Tor Lowry’s description of Efren Reyes is not the pause according to Shortstop on Pool. Efren pauses with his cue tip right in back of cue ball. He then does two strokes (frontstroke and backstroke, and frontstroke and backstroke) before hitting the ball. Shortstop on Pool pauses at the end of the backstroke and before the frontstroke and hitting the ball.

Tor Lowry claims this is especially important in stressful situations where Efren Reyes' method reduces tension and prevents missing the shot due to a poor stroke. This agrees with maha's post that the pause at the end of the backstroke makes things worse for some in tense situations.

Shortstop on Pool disagrees finding that the pause at the end of the backstroke reduces tension because of this moment of silence. Not only that but the pause helps from a physical effect. Pausing prevents the muscles and tendons of the backstroke conflicting with the muscles and tendons of the front stroke and a resultant bad effect on the stroke.

Reconciling both approaches, Efren Reyes approach works despite the ill effect associated with battling muscles and tendons. Shortstop on Pool's method works despite the greater tension in stress situations because of the pause. Efren Reyes method is best for players more susceptible to stress while Shortstop on Pool's is best for the player that is more calm, collected, and cool.

Unreconcilable is both methods contention they are best in stressful situations.

 

[HawaiianEye]

If you are consistently making balls and doing what you intended to do, you are doing it correctly for "yourself".

Everyone seems to think there is only one way of doing things.