The REAL Cost of CF Shafts
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DDiabolico
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Yeah, but the manufacturers of CF shafts aren't agreeing on anything. In CF shafts we have a range from $300 to $600 depending on the manufacturer. The biggest competitors charge around $400 to $500 for their shafts. Just because some others price their products accordingly, doesn't mean it's illegal.
Rhetorical ? i assume? You know exactly why cf shafts costs so much: demand. Also not all maple shafts are laminated. CF shafts arent't made using 'wood blanks'. Where do you hear this crap??What makes a CF shaft so expensive? These shafts cost more than many nice cues with maple shafts, even maple LD shafts. Is this just supply and demand? Marketing? Material cost? Complexity of manufacture?
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From a material perspective, the carbon fiber blank and the maple for for making a shaft seem reasonably comparable. The maple shafts that are intricately made from multiple pieces cut and spliced together to create the shaft blank seem to be significantly more labor intensive than the process of making a CF shaft around a wood blank, but of course, I have never actually made either.
Years ago, I gave up metal shaft golf clubs for graphite shafts. The "upgrade" was quite expensive. Now these types of shafts come standard on cheap clubs from Wal Mart. They obviously aren't more expensive to make for golf clubs. Maybe someday the CF shaft will become so standard as to be a non issue in choosing a cue?
xX-Wizard-Xx
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CF shafts make your custom cue look ugly.... that is a bonus cost
PracticeChampion
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What makes a CF shaft so expensive? These shafts cost more than many nice cues with maple shafts, even maple LD shafts. Is this just supply and demand? Marketing? Material cost? Complexity of manufacture?
Asking for a frined
From a material perspective, the carbon fiber blank and the maple for for making a shaft seem reasonably comparable. The maple shafts that are intricately made from multiple pieces cut and spliced together to create the shaft blank seem to be significantly more labor intensive than the process of making a CF shaft around a wood blank, but of course, I have never actually made either.
Years ago, I gave up metal shaft golf clubs for graphite shafts. The "upgrade" was quite expensive. Now these types of shafts come standard on cheap clubs from Wal Mart. They obviously aren't more expensive to make for golf clubs. Maybe someday the CF shaft will become so standard as to be a non issue in choosing a cue?
I can buy/build some carbon shafts cheaper than a wood shaftPracticeChampion
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You can buy some from China real cheap but the few I got was junk, real tall ridge running down them and some wobble. I pay more for my new ones but there all good, so far
PracticeChampion
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Depends.... If your butt has any black in it they usually look real nice together
dendweller
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Doubt that will happen, given I have people miscue, probably hitting the ball 10 times quickly as the stick slides under or by the ball and it's not called a foul. Personally I think it should be but it's just not done.
xX-Wizard-Xx
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i think Pool needs more Regulation .... tips need to be all leather Playing/Break cue ...Chalk needs to be standard chalk .... cues need to be made out of wood not carbon fiber. if any of these rules are broken at the very least 1yr of prison time.
EDIT: ALL POOL TABLES SHOULD BE 9FT OR LARGER
EDIT: ALL POOL TABLES SHOULD BE 9FT OR LARGER
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If you have the right tv/monitor BR's are clearly better. On basic tv's you can't really tell. Sound is usually better on a BR also.
Compact disc format medium is a perfect example for this thread. Whether music cd, movie DVD, software cdrom/ dvd, blue ray, etc. They all cost probably 25 cents to make. Yet retail is from $15 per for music to multiple thousands per for some software installations.
Manufacturing cost is only a piece of the puzzle. Some products it is a large piece. Some products it’s a tiny piece.
Manufacturing cost is only a piece of the puzzle. Some products it is a large piece. Some products it’s a tiny piece.
I must admit this isn't a topic I've read much about in advance. But when I google things like "pricing strategy" I see all these terms used very consistently across multiple articles each with their own consistent definitions and no extra connotations being conveyed:
- Price gouging: Raising prices in a crisis to excessive levels (roughly >20%), e.g. toilet paper or gasoline
- Predatory pricing: Pricing below cost to intentionally eliminate competition and establish a monopoly, e.g. Amazon?
- Premium pricing: Pricing above market due value differentiation, e.g. iPhones
- Penetration pricing: Pricing below market to gain market share, e.g. Hulu
- Economy pricing: Pricing below market with a no-frills product offering, e.g. Aldi
- Price skimming: Pricing high during product launch to profit off eager early adopters, e.g. Revo
- Psychological pricing: Pricing to leverage consumer bias, e.g. $99 is a much better price than $100, e.g. DVDs
- Status quo pricing: Pricing at market value to not "rock the boat", e.g. bread
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middleofnowhere
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From your previous post though, it sounds like you can get pretty nice ones for a reasonable price.You can buy some from China real cheap but the few I got was junk, real tall ridge running down them and some wobble. I pay more for my new ones but there all good, so far
Cheapest I've seen partially finished CF shafts is $20:
But there is a lot more to making a decent shaft than throwing a joint on a blank. I personally won't turn CF in my shop because I worry about the fibers, so perhaps some cue makers likewise prefer to stick with wood.
But there is a lot more to making a decent shaft than throwing a joint on a blank. I personally won't turn CF in my shop because I worry about the fibers, so perhaps some cue makers likewise prefer to stick with wood.
Turning exotic woods is as bad if not more dangerous than cf. |Building a cf shaft from a blank requires very little turning to install ferrule/joint. A local builder has made a few with zero issues. Seem to play ok. Haven't A/B'd one against a main brand to check defl. but the sound/feel fine.Cheapest I've seen partially finished CF shafts is $20:
But there is a lot more to making a decent shaft than throwing a joint on a blank. I personally won't turn CF in my shop because I worry about the fibers, so perhaps some cue makers likewise prefer to stick with wood.
I agree on the chemicals / fungicides in some of the imported exotic woods. The risk from CF is the crystalline dust that can be more dangerous than wood dust.
I have a cheapo CF shaft made from a cheap blank. I love it and have no complaints.
You don't turn cf like wood. Might get a few shavings installing ferrule/joint but nothing a fine as wood dist. Basic mask will work.
middleofnowhere
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May order a few and experiment just for myself.Cheapest I've seen partially finished CF shafts is $20:
But there is a lot more to making a decent shaft than throwing a joint on a blank. I personally won't turn CF in my shop because I worry about the fibers, so perhaps some cue makers likewise prefer to stick with wood.
Carbon shafts don't go thru a lathe like wood does, do they??