The stroke slip .

[Sloppy Pockets]

I think the difference would be between those that 'let the cue do the work' & those that actually 'use' the cue to stroke through the ball.

These are one and the same thing. The arm does the work on the cue, but it's the cue that does the work on the ball.

 

[ENGLISH!]

These are one and the same thing. The arm does the work on the cue, but it's the cue that does the work on the ball.

I think you know that that is NOT what is meant by those that use that phrase.

And by the way that loosening, of the 'connection' to the cue, 'the release', is how the 'stroke slip' stroke is accomplished & if done properly it is very accurate.

Best Wishes to You & Yours for the Season.

 

[FranCrimi]

Release stroke wouldn't be accurate b/c you are not really releasing the cue.
It would still be in your hands, wouldn't it?
And you don't have to start by gripping the and releasing it.
You just have a loose cradle.

Good point. But I think we can call it a release, though, because it's in motion at a different rate than your hand at the point of impact.

 

[FranCrimi]

Is there another way to do it?

FWIW the cue slips in my grip hand on almost every stroke I take, sometimes just a little, sometimes a whole lot. I make no attempt to do this, it's just a natural consequence of a very loose and supple grip plus the slick Irish linen wrap on my cue. If I try to "grip it and rip it" I will throw the cue off line so much it's alarming.

I also play around a lot with a true slip stroke. I used to think my grip hand moved back just an small amount, but after videotaping a practice session I saw that the hand usually slides back 4-6" along the grip. That's with a starting position well forward of my normal grip (almost at the front of the grip at times), but finishing with the forearm perpendicular to the cue. I believe this is more natural to do on a very forward weighted cue like mine than it is on a rear-weighted cue.

At any rate, I don't think either type of stroke is possible to do with a firm starting grip, particularly the slip stroke.

BTW I much prefer your term "release stroke". Even though I don't consciously release the cue, calling it a "stroke slip" has caused more confusion than it has eliminated.

As far as another way to do it, it doesn't have to be a fixed upper arm stroke. You can release it with a dropped elbow stroke as well. You can also completely let go and let the cue fall to the table which is much more risky; and I wouldn't recommend doing it with a cue you value.

As far as gripping the cue tightly, I agree that there is a high percentage possibility of the grab turning into a twist. It's good to learn how to apply a tight grip correctly, though ---- Just another weapon in the ol' arsenal.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Take the left hand gripping a golf club. Then tighten & really lock out the elbow. The club face opens. That is partly why many slice the ball. Their 'tight' grip is NOT taken on the club with the face square. They take their grip relatively loosely & with the elbow not really locked out & then when the grip tightens & the elbow gets locked out during the swing the club face opens & the slice happens. Most should have a 'stronger' grip with the hand turned clockwise at the get go so that the face is square with a 'tight' grip... or... don't tighten during the swing but that's not an easy task for most & the elbow will probably still lock out & open the face, but not for everyone, as we are individuals.

The same can & probably does happen when the grip it tightened for pool.

When my grip gravitated to firming up when first doing CJ Wiley's version of TOI, I had to rotate my hand clockwise to get it in & keep the cue in the 'channel'.

CJ does not like & does not advocate a 'loose' grip. Different stroke than many.

Naturally the terms are relative.

I think the point being that one has to set the firmness & then keep it constant... not an easy task for some. When I find myself 'catching or snatching the cue', I take the last two fingers off the cue the way Justin Bergman was holding his cue for the Mosconi Cup as a quick fix band aid. It works well for me.

Just a bit of food for thought.

I'd like very much to hear your comments, Fran.

 

[Donny Lutz]

stroke slip

In what instances is someone better suited to have a stroke slip ( letting the cue slide in the final stroke ) instead of pendulum or piston stroke ?

In 1981, my girlfriend surprised me in a very small black mini-slip and I nearly had a stroke!

Sorry, couldn't resist!

 

[Player]

In what instances is someone better suited to have a stroke slip ( letting the cue slide in the final stroke ) instead of pendulum or piston stroke ?

I find it really good on long shots, especially when hitting hard. I use a pretty light grip most of the time anyway and then kind of cock my wrist on the backstroke and then snap it forward while relaxing my grip enough for the cue to slip.

Sort of reminds me of pitching a quarter backhanded.

Now I'm not an instructor, have absolutely no idea what to call it, and am surely doing it wrong, but it works good for me.:smile:

 

[FranCrimi]

I find it really good on long shots, especially when hitting hard. I use a pretty light grip most of the time anyway and then kind of cock my wrist on the backstroke and then snap it forward while relaxing my grip enough for the cue to slip.

Sort of reminds me of pitching a quarter backhanded.

Now I'm not an instructor, have absolutely no idea what to call it, and am surely doing it wrong, but it works good for me.:smile:

It's called a release stroke, and I do it too when I feel I need it.

 

[Pidge]

I can see one major advantage for it, especially for weaker players.... That is they don't tighten their grip too early! It's a major problem for a lot of weaker or newer players on power shots and heavy spin shots.

That been said if someone approached me asking for help because they're tightening the grip too early I wouldn't suggest this type of stroke. For one the problem is easily fixed without having to learn a whole new stroke... And most importantly I've never used it and don't fully understand how to use it. But yeah, in theory it definitely has its place.

 

[3kushn]

I can see one major advantage for it, especially for weaker players.... That is they don't tighten their grip too early! It's a major problem for a lot of weaker or newer players on power shots and heavy spin shots.

That been said if someone approached me asking for help because they're tightening the grip too early I wouldn't suggest this type of stroke. For one the problem is easily fixed without having to learn a whole new stroke... And most importantly I've never used it and don't fully understand how to use it. But yeah, in theory it definitely has its place.

This would definitely teach that a tight grip isn't necessary. Some think it is.