the TAR guys...

[JonnyB]

Kick them any amount!

If money is tight and $15 is hurtin' ya, or you aren't around when the PPV's are happening but you dig the free feeds, you can still show some support and kick them $10, $5, $2, $1, or the change sitting in your PayPal account by using the Donate button on the upper right of their home page. http://www.theactionreport.com/

I am not flowing in FatBoy type money but I give something each time because I believe these guys will ultimately help pool by showing exciting matches, interesting personalities and the underbelly of the pool world that rarely gets exposure otherwise. It really is good drama that deserves to be seen. From what I gather in reading this forum daily, these are some of the same reason FatBoy is doing his part, and I thank him.

I did the 9-Ball final this time and it was a VERY solid production with Ken Shuman, Stevie Moore and SVB breaking it down on the mic's. The prop bets (drops?) and 8-ball matchs before and afterwards were a total bonus and I definitely got my $15 worth of entertainment.

Other than being tired at work the next day I am diggin' all this TAR Stuff! Looking forward to picking up one of the 1 Pocket DVD's soon as some edumacational material.

Thanks TAR Guys.

JonnyB

 

[Neil]

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[jasonlaus]

says the guy who probably has no kids. Family should always come first over my "hobby". Paying my bills comes first over any of my hobbies.

That's mostly the reason people try to play pool for a living in the first place, cause they didn't come first in family.

he didn't bust on Fatboy for helping, he just said until quality or extras are included he ain't buying.

& ray i didnt say family wasnt important. family is everything,but this isnt about family its about pool. if someone cant afford to help i feel bad for them & hope everything improves for them, but dont bash a guy for helping. i hope fatboy becomes a billionaire a thousand times over, but i hope the guy the post is about also becomes wealthy & can help too. same for everyone on az. $20,000 cues for everyone!!! then maybe the TOP cuemakers will get the money they really deserve. we can donate to a real pro tour where the pros we all would love to play like can get the money they deserve.. oh well time to wake up

 

[av84fun]

Not exactly - another bad example....

AZBilliards has plenty of sponsors that are paying to advertise here, which is how 99.99999134% of message boards out there stay in operations. I'm sure the revenues there are more than sufficient to keep this place running as it has for the last many-o-years.

Mike just came up with the "club membership" thing and offered a larger avatar, some fancy little banner, and more PM's. There is no value there for me, and obviously a lot of others feel that way as well.

You're comparing Janet Jackson to Janet Reno...... they both are similar (in names) but not even close....

No he's not. Do you think that the owners of this forum are rolling in wealth and just asked for Membership money to get ever richer?


Personally, I think this thread is doing TAR WAY more harm than good by creating VERY negative vibes in a lot of people's minds. One particular post of JCIN's didn't help the cause much either...IMHO.

Few marketing specialists would recommend insulting people in public regardless of what the issues are.

Jim

 

[AZE]

Neil, that is a sad statement I had to just read there. I've enjoyed some of your posts and always looked at you as a respectable guy. Guess I was wrong.
You really should learn to keep your mouth shut when you have no clue what you're talking about.
I never talked about you in this thread, not once.
I did pay for my banners on AZB. And I have a healthy working relationship with Mike.
As far as going out to wherever you are to play you... Why would I want to play you? What can I win? You just said $15 is a lot.

av84fun -- you got it $15 off a set of business cards for whoever/whatever you want. In fact, $15 off of business cards for anyone this whole week.
I still have no clue why you're upset at me. I have no quarrels with anyone on this forum. Even Neil (after his most ignorant post).
I am just stating how I feel. $15 is not, and never will be a lot of money. I've had plenty days where I didn't have as much as 2 pennies to squeeze together, and if you handed me $15 right there on the spot it would not have made a difference. Most of you have a lot more money than me on a day-to-day basis. That doesn't change the fact.

 

[av84fun]

Neil, that is a sad statement I had to just read there. I've enjoyed some of your posts and always looked at you as a respectable guy. Guess I was wrong.
You really should learn to keep your mouth shut when you have no clue what you're talking about.
I never talked about you in this thread, not once.
I did pay for my banners on AZB. And I have a healthy working relationship with Mike.
As far as going out to wherever you are to play you... Why would I want to play you? What can I win? You just said $15 is a lot.

av84fun -- you got it $15 off a set of business cards for whoever/whatever you want. In fact, $15 off of business cards for anyone this whole week.
I still have no clue why you're upset at me. I have no quarrels with anyone on this forum. Even Neil (after his most ignorant post).
I am just stating how I feel. $15 is not, and never will be a lot of money. I've had plenty days where I didn't have as much as 2 pennies to squeeze together, and if you handed me $15 right there on the spot it would not have made a difference. Most of you have a lot more money than me on a day-to-day basis. That doesn't change the fact.

"I still have no clue why you're upset at me."

That is because you are clueless. In your posts to people who merely disagree with your views, you choose to insult not just debate...just as you did in referring to Neil's post as being "most ignorant."

Well, let me tell you what ignornat really is. Ignorant is putting a banner ad in your posts and then proceeding to insult numerous people whose views, as this thread shows, are in the distinct MAJORITY!

Look at the number of views in this thread to see just how ignorant your tactics have been.

I continue to think that this thread has been harmful to TAR and has created more than a little ill-will toward you.

I have received no PMs requesting the free business cards (free to them not me) but the offer remains open.

Jim

 

[catscradle]

... I hate to see people bickering back and forth about this thing....

That is the most sensible thing said in this thread.
I don't buy your ppv nor do I watch the freebie, watching pool on a computers doesn't work for me, but I think you do a fine job based upon the dvd's which I do buy.
You aren't accu-stats and I don't think people expect you to be. I think what causes the bickering is that some people expect people who enjoy pool, to offer you independent support regardless of anything else and some of them seem to get up in arms about it. Conversely, some of the people who don't want to offer support for you for free, get up in arms about the critisism (sp?). I think you've made it clear that you gladly appreciate and accept support from others, but that you don't expect it is required. You're the one with the right attitude, I hope others on both sides of the issue come around to see it that way.

 

[hejests]

I'm a nit, and I'm ok with that.

My 2 cents worth...

Ppl can approach this as either a cause/donation or a purchase. There's nothing wrong with either approach (different strokes for different folks).

If you're approaching this as a cause/donation then you're basically just trying to help out, so the value proposition doesn't need to be all that high for you (ie, it doesn't matter if you're going to miss most of the ppv because you're at work etc, because mostly you're just trying to help out).

If you're approaching this as a purchase, then the value proposition matters a lot more (just like any other purchase). You decide to purchase or not purchase based on whatever value you're deriving from the product (and that's going to be different for everyone).

Personally, as much as I love this game (17 yrs and going), it isn't one of my causes, so the donation route isn't for me. As a purchase, the value proposition for any kind of ppv isn't all that high for me unless it's a last minute thing and I happen to be home and not doing anything when it's on. DVD's make more sense in my crazy life because they're more flexible. That's probably something I'll look at in the future.

I have a lot of respect for the guys that are making this their cause, but understand that there are a lot of important causes out there to champion and this simply won't be a cause for all of us. For some of us, it's just going to be a purchasing decision, like any other.

Serge

 

[Cuebacca]

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

-- Theodore Roosevelt​

 

[catscradle]

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

-- Theodore Roosevelt​

I'm not sure how it relates to this thread, but I like that quote.

 

[Cuebacca]

I'm not sure how it relates to this thread, but I like that quote.

LOL. Thanks, Cats.

Whenever I'm about to offer feedback on something, it helps me to keep that quote in mind. Sometimes we forget and rather than offering constructive criticism, we "point out how the strong man stumbles".

I think Fatboy started this thread because he recognizes the TAR boys as "strong men" in the work they are doing. His support of them makes him a "strong man", too. So I thought that anyone who wanted to bash him for his opening post may find inspiration in that quote.

 

[watchez]

Hmmm... Guess I'm a nit then. ...............by the way, when was the last time you watched a matchup in your local room for free and didn't offer to help pay the time for the entertainment? What's that??? Oh, yeah, o.k., You're right, you are a nit too!

Neil the Nit - Using your empty analogy: If I owned a local pool room and you came in every day, taking up space & never spent a quarter in my room or added anything worthwhile to the atmosphere except negativity - can you guess what would happen to you? What's that??? Oh yeah, o.k. - I would put you 'on TV' so you would be embarrassed enough not to come back or make you into something & not a Nit anymore. Or if I was low on energy, then I would probably just ask you not to come back anymore because if I wanted to own a place for freeloaders than I would own a bus station..

I find it amazing that, in a thread where Fatboy tells of his help to TAR, people have the nerve to try to explain why they all want something, all expect something but will do nothing to make it happen. Maybe you don't all agree in Fatboy & what appears sometimes as his self-indulgence (for lack of a better term) but in this instance he was using it to merely make the point that if you want the free TAR to continue, then you should step up & help. If you think that $15 is too much & beyond your budget - get off the internet, get off the free webcasts & use your time to get a second job at McDonald's or Walmart. I know they are hiring as I see signs everytime I walk in the door.

 

[av84fun]

My 2 cents worth...

Ppl can approach this as either a cause/donation or a purchase. There's nothing wrong with either approach (different strokes for different folks).

If you're approaching this as a cause/donation then you're basically just trying to help out, so the value proposition doesn't need to be all that high for you (ie, it doesn't matter if you're going to miss most of the ppv because you're at work etc, because mostly you're just trying to help out).

If you're approaching this as a purchase, then the value proposition matters a lot more (just like any other purchase). You decide to purchase or not purchase based on whatever value you're deriving from the product (and that's going to be different for everyone).

Personally, as much as I love this game (17 yrs and going), it isn't one of my causes, so the donation route isn't for me. As a purchase, the value proposition for any kind of ppv isn't all that high for me unless it's a last minute thing and I happen to be home and not doing anything when it's on. DVD's make more sense in my crazy life because they're more flexible. That's probably something I'll look at in the future.

I have a lot of respect for the guys that are making this their cause, but understand that there are a lot of important causes out there to champion and this simply won't be a cause for all of us. For some of us, it's just going to be a purchasing decision, like any other.

Serge

One of the best, most sensible and articulate posts in this thread.

TAP TAP and rep for you.

Regards,
Jim

 

[AZE]

A wise man once told me 'don't argue with fools, because people from a far can't tell who is who'
I am very disappointed at myself for not following that advice from the start.

If you ever care to use logic, reason, or facts in your 'arguments' I would be interested in reading what you have to say.

 

[av84fun]

A wise man once told me 'don't argue with fools, because people from a far can't tell who is who'
I am very disappointed at myself for not following that advice from the start.

If you ever care to use logic, reason, or facts in your 'arguments' I would be interested in reading what you have to say.

Well, since you don't seem to have mastered the use of the quote function and lack the ummmm...wisdom to direct your comments to anyone in particular, I will just close the dialog with you by saying that your above post clearly defines you and renders it as utterly astonishing that you have no clue...according to you...why your comments should be deemed offensive.

Jim

 

[Neil]

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[1pRoscoe]

I love lamp.

true story....

-Ross

 

[jimmy-leggs]

All I have to say is............Wheres Jam when these juicy threads arise??
Fatboy, your good in my books....helping the cause.And I dont care how you come across doing it.

 

[watchez]

Since I obviously suck so bad at pool, I called you out. And it wouldn't be for no little amount. I would borrow every dollar I could get my hands on to play you. You are the one who has no clue. Even after others have all but spelled it out to you how you have insulted and offended people, you just don't get it. Or just don't care.

You want to help TAR? Great, but you aren't helping them any at all by insulting people. I have NEVER said anything negative about Tar, or about Fatboy helping them, yet I have been accused of both in this thread. That is what is pretty sad.

Now, if you still can't see how you have said anything about me, Then we all know who the ignorant one is.

Watchez: And just where are you getting the crap you are spewing about me? Maybe you shouldn't smoke such a big one before you post. You are really showing your true colors. I go from not being able to afford something extra, to be a total freeloader in my local room. and saying stuff about Fatboy. Boy you sure can read between the lines , can't you. Try this- I'm holding 5 fingers up, can you read between the lines on that one? And if you REALLY think ANYBODY would get a second job just so they can support TAR, you must be taking some really bad drugs. That statement of yours I'm sure gave a lot of people on here a good laugh- at your expense.

No Neal the Nit - my point about getting a second job so you could have the $15 is that obviously you don't make enough money for extras in your life like TAR PPV, or taking your special someone to a movie, or paying for hot water to take a shower every day or whatever else you leave out in your life because you can't afford to do it. So I was just making a suggestion that if you work harder, you can get farther. McDonald's will afford you that opportunity. Don't wait for tomorrow, do it today. Sorry you didn't make a fortune in your life as a BCA instructor, I can't imagine why.

Taking really bad drugs? Are there good drugs? Maybe that is what you are doing with your money the past 35 years so you can't afford things. Now that is what is really sad.

What is also sad and full of irony is that you can't defend yourself with your intelligence so 'to settle it' you want to on a pool table but with borrowed dollars. I don't care who you are, that is funny right there.

 

[Jimmy M.]

(Fatboy spells so poorly, that he spent the entire night watching 'corn')

Oh that's not that bad. I thought you were going to say that he spent all night at a 'warehouse'.