He answered the question in post 118.
The truth about Mezz shafts
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He answered the question in post 118.
Mezz do not exactly put up a big banner with their phone number but it's not hidden either.
http://mezzcue.com/en/corporate/
This is also an interesting read:
http://mezzcue.com/en/corporate/history.php
Miki in the late 1960's was producing 240.000 cues a year.
gr. Dave
http://mezzcue.com/en/corporate/
This is also an interesting read:
http://mezzcue.com/en/corporate/history.php
Miki in the late 1960's was producing 240.000 cues a year.
gr. Dave
Yeah, who is this "nobody" who makes cues
Sounds like this guy was knee deep in work working and cue building for more than 40 years. Pretty strong.
Well of course the WX900 and WX700 are "cheaper" now because they have been out for a while but that doesn't include Mezz charging for joint changes.
Directly from Mezz USA. Which is one of the easier way to order. Mezz has 2 shafts @ $240 not including joint change which for a 3/8 10 totals to $280 and others $265. From Seyberts most joint types cost $275 for 314-3 and Z3. Seyberts doesn't have the variety in joint types that Mezz offers and thus you may or may not be able to avoid ordering from Mezz. Which means your HP 2 or Hybrid A can cost you $370 for a 3/8 10 pin... Even from Seyberts, who carries both Predator and Mezz the HPII, Hybrid A, and Ex Pro are more expensive than the 314 and Z series. There is a difference between Predator and Mezz in terms of quality but if the difference between and Ex Pro and 314-2 ends up at around $200 depending on the joint type then yes Mezz is expensive.
I'm not even drawing the comparsion to OB shafts which are AMERICAN MADE (Wooho!) and cheaper than both the predator and mezz shafts. Not only that but their PR, return policies, and involvement in the industry is second to none. If they paid me well enough I'd do sales, marketing and rep for them but I'm currently tied up in sales in the oilfield.
So yes, if you look at EVERY other production LD shaft on the market, Mezz sells theirs at the highest MSRP with Predator being a close second (Meucci may be the next closest at $275. Tiger and OB which I believe are just as good if not better than Predator shafts are much more affordable.
Therefore compared to the rest of the market, the truth about Mezz shafts, is that they are expensive.
Predator may be more expensive in Europe but I'm not in Europe so I wouldn't know.
Just to make sure we are on the same page, I agree Mezz charges quite a lot of money for their shafts.
As to whether or not you find them on the whole more or less expensive then Predator is up for
debate I suppose. I can see you way of seeing but I also feel my point of view is fair aswell.
Obviously with me being in Europe I hold the Euro pricing as most important. Predator just
announced a price raise for the European market where the 314-3 will cost between 335 and
355 Euro (currently 289-299). The Mezz Hybrid shafts cost between 275 and 295 over here,
so around 20% less. The Exceed Pro shaft costs 317€ here, only available in Wavy and United.
OB's sell for 229€ which I agree is a fair price for a great product (I am also an OB dealer).
gr. Dave
As to whether or not you find them on the whole more or less expensive then Predator is up for
debate I suppose. I can see you way of seeing but I also feel my point of view is fair aswell.
Obviously with me being in Europe I hold the Euro pricing as most important. Predator just
announced a price raise for the European market where the 314-3 will cost between 335 and
355 Euro (currently 289-299). The Mezz Hybrid shafts cost between 275 and 295 over here,
so around 20% less. The Exceed Pro shaft costs 317€ here, only available in Wavy and United.
OB's sell for 229€ which I agree is a fair price for a great product (I am also an OB dealer).
gr. Dave
Stop comparing apples and oranges. Of course a carbon core shaft will be more expensive than a regular shaft. How much does WX900 cost and how much does 314/3 cost?
I believe this thread was meant to reveal qualities of Mezz shafts versus price?! Right?
How in the world you guys ended up talking about drawing the cb with ""brooms, branches and other ornamental pieces"??? Really again...?
1. Yes the statement about drawing with X shaft being hard because it's too stiff, dead, undead, warped ...whatever... is false. I myself can draw the cb with a jumping frog shaft with phenolic tip on it ...you heard me...but some people can't because they have a different stroke. That's why there are tons of tip brands with different hardness on the market.
Choose what suits you....but don't blame the wood.
2. Mezz shafts are great shafts but too expensive.
3. I would really like to know what is the recipe in creating that stiffness. Probably very dense maple..?
4. I love LD shafts but as long as you play good with a maple shaft that means you adapted to deflection and you DON't need an LD shaft. It's a waste of money and somebody said something about inside english on cut shots...right?? Well as long as you know your "shitty common maple" shaft well enough you can cut every ball in a half if you want. "You'll cut better with inside english with and LD shaft" because there is virtually no deflection is just marketing....translated in bullshit!
5. Play with whatever makes you feel better and gives you confidence for every shot.
Chris@2015
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How in the world you guys ended up talking about drawing the cb with ""brooms, branches and other ornamental pieces"??? Really again...?
1. Yes the statement about drawing with X shaft being hard because it's too stiff, dead, undead, warped ...whatever... is false. I myself can draw the cb with a jumping frog shaft with phenolic tip on it ...you heard me...but some people can't because they have a different stroke. That's why there are tons of tip brands with different hardness on the market.
Choose what suits you....but don't blame the wood.
2. Mezz shafts are great shafts but too expensive.
3. I would really like to know what is the recipe in creating that stiffness. Probably very dense maple..?
4. I love LD shafts but as long as you play good with a maple shaft that means you adapted to deflection and you DON't need an LD shaft. It's a waste of money and somebody said something about inside english on cut shots...right?? Well as long as you know your "shitty common maple" shaft well enough you can cut every ball in a half if you want. "You'll cut better with inside english with and LD shaft" because there is virtually no deflection is just marketing....translated in bullshit!
5. Play with whatever makes you feel better and gives you confidence for every shot.
Chris@2015
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Sorry .. my OCD is wondering (and focusing on) where is point #2 and why #5 is a twin
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Have shown this many times. Take one shaft, put it on several different butts and shoot the same draw shot with each. Results vary considerably. By the same token how much spin is imparted varies between shafts regardless of your stroke.
For those that think laminated LD shafts are expensive... you must really like the price of Lakewood shafts. Custom cue makers such as Stroud when he was still in business was getting $300.00 for a one piece shaft. Expensive or worth the money? Cost is relative.
The same here if they are both in 3/8 10 lol! Again this isn't about Mezz vs. Predator. Its Mezz vs. THE ENTIRE MARKET. Predator is also expensive...I didn't mention anywhere that they weren't. This is the first predator that I have owned and it hits alright, but I'll probably get an OB at some point.
FINALLY somebody with some real credibility shows up! Double Dave and a couple others do too. This was exactly my point. Meanwhile your shafts are much more affordable than most and play (from what i hear) quite well!
I`m comparing one high performance product to another.
Prices from Seyberts:
- Mezz WX900 United Joint $246.50
- Predator 314/3 Uni-Lock $274.50
- OB Plus Pro $219.30
- Tiger Ultra X $220.15
So from what I see, the leading brands all have quite similar price.
Tiger and OB offers their shafts in lots of joints without extra cost. Predator and Mezz charge extra for other joints than the one they use on their own cues. So from the most expensive, to the chepest there is a 20% difference in price, not sure if that is such a big deal.
Mezz shafts are high quality and very consistent in quality. Not sure why you have such hate for Mezz products?
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The 314-2 can be purchased for $200. On Mezz USA a 3/8 1010 wx900 is $280 without tax. Mezz Charges $40 extra for one of the most common joints around. Save it. The Hybrid Alpha and Pro II are both $370 in 3/8 10. Seyberts prices for Mezz shafts only matter for Mezz joints and 5/16 14. Otherwise you have to order direct from Mezz USA for the joint type you want. So how much will the Ex Pro cost when they offer it in 3/8 10? $440? You are comparing their cheapest shaft tied with the wx700 in their second cheapest joint type Lets compare the most expensive Mezz Shaft to The most expensive shafts of every other manufacturer! Did you not read the first post? I did have anything bad to say about them other than the wx700 and their price, which I will reiterate is EXPENSIVE. I can get a handmade LD shaft from BdCues for $200. I'm glad you can look passed the price for their shafts but I can't. and Predator charges more for the Uni Lock than 3/8 10 btw. Again not once did I say I hate Mezz products.
Jesse Gilbert
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They are expensive
I dont think Mezz`s main focus is the performance shaft aftermarket.
OB and Tiger and to a certain extent Predator all cater to that market, therefore it`s only natural that they will be more flexible with what joint type the customers need.
To mu knowledge, Mezz makes stuff in batches, so they tool up at a certain time for a spesific product run. That means they are less flexible and that lead time can be long, depending on when you order.
I might be wrong, but I guess Double-Dave can chime in on this.
I have had dealings with Mezz USA and they are very receptive to their customers.
Mezz will build you a custom cue if you like, not sure how many players are aware of this .. At the time I talked to them they were willing to build you a cue with a predator blank, and I'm sure whatever blank you wanted that they could get.
They were willing to build the butt any way you wanted one...
I will say again that Mezz quality is as good or better when compared to any other production cue company, and they will customize for you far beyond what other production companies will do.
If I needed a new player today I would be giving Mezz a call. There is always some wait time for custom stuff, but with Mezz I feel confident that when I got it I will have received exactly what I wanted and the quality would be off the charts.
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This has nothing to do with my main point which is that they are expensive
We get it. You clearly believe, and have stated several times that Mezz's price point is one you don't agree with. Just because you think their products are over priced doesn't mean everybody thinks the same, and you should accept that no amount of back and forth is going to change that. Also, this thread has obviously taken a path away from your original post. I think you should accept that as well.