The Use Of Pivoting When Aiming.

swest said:
...whatever happened to the verbiage, "1/2 tip pivot to CCB which connects you with the geometry of the table"?? I thought that was the secret sauce, and the source of all mystery?
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That's so last week, Sam. These guys may not be the sharpest spoons in the drawer, but they realize instinctively that if they let us pin 'em down to one clear statement they can all be taken out with a single logic grenade.

pj <- not that they'd notice
chgo
 
stan shuffett said:
The pivot is foundational for comprehensive system understanding. The prepivot alignment allows for optimal sighting when learning the system and is also extremely important for visual adjustments with some applications of spin.

The prepivot alignment is perfect training for how to cross one's vision with their cue for the highest application of CTE. In other words, the pivoting aspect of CTE teaches one how to properly engage a special but very narrow range of their vision when in final cueing alignment.

In CTE, there are 2 foundational alignments that stem from one's normally aspired typical alignment that occurs during PPA verses the one target shooting set-up for conventional methods that takes place in final aim.

Bottom line: CTE teaches in layers what was once totally inexplicable.

Stan Shuffett
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What's funny is that this post resonates only to folks who have actually worked on the system. Three weeks ago, I would have thought you were full of shit. Now I get it. Thank God, I finally get it. :)
 
Patrick Johnson said:
That's so last week, Sam. These guys may not be the sharpest spoons in the drawer, but they realize instinctively that if they let us pin 'em down to one clear statement they can all be taken out with a single logic grenade.

pj <- not that they'd notice
chgo
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It works both ways, Slick. If you let us pin you down to actually getting on the table to expose your complete lack of knowledge and skills with the system, you'd be taken out with an "imbecile" grenade. <- and everybody in the world would notice
(IMBECILE grenades TRUMP LOGIC grenades every time. Logic grenades are total duds just like the flawed logic used by keyboard cowboys. Here's real logic - high % of balls go into pockets when using CTE correctly)
 
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Sloppy Pockets said:
What's funny is that this post resonates only to folks who have actually worked on the system. Three weeks ago, I would have thought you were full of shit. Now I get it. Thank God, I finally get it. :)
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Excellent observation.
CTE is the most difficult thing I ever tried to learn on a pool table. I'm naturally a slow learner as well.
Combine that with changing a way to aim after almost 60 years for doing the "usual way" and that's a sure fire way to get really confused. (I think personal one on one instruction from Stan himself would eliminate that....although it is a case by case situation).
Once it clicks, though, the confusion goes away and the balls go in the pockets more than ever. That's all I wanted in the first place. I could give a flip less about all the "whys".
Pool is outcome based..the ball goes in or it doesn't. You get good position or you don't.
I'm too busy in a match at trying to outfox my opponent and keeping him on the hook to be worrying about shadows, light reflections, and the other stuff.
And...I don't make bad bets. Yea, yea, yea, I know...I certainly have gone in with 3 bullets off the deal and watch some idiot stand 2 raises to draw 2 cards and flush out on me while I fail to catch a helpful card. Those occasions are rare...but they sure burn the pocket.
With CTE pool aiming....a HUGE part of concern over shooting at a shot is eliminated.
The skeptics can just learn to deal with it.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
That's so last week, Sam. These guys may not be the sharpest spoons in the drawer, but they realize instinctively that if they let us pin 'em down to one clear statement they can all be taken out with a single logic grenade.
pj <- not that they'd notice
chgo
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Speak for yourself, ace.
There are plenty of guys on here who are "sharper spoons in the drawer" than you.
:shrug:
 
pocket said:
Not offering an opinion to the subject of the thread.

Pidge, I'm very surprised that you would post such an obviously inflammatory thread.

There are several other posters here that do a fine job of that day after day.

I've always found your posts to be on point, and helpful. This one is simply a poke in the eye.

Did you think it would end with a, "You know something, that's pretty astute. Thanks for helping me see the light"?
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It is simply me expressing my opinion. No one's poking any eyes out.
People choose to take offense or they choose not to take offense, I can't control how people view my opinions. Should I not express an opinion because a few might get offended? I'm all for getting things off your chest, its how I was brought up.
 
Pidge said:
It is simply me expressing my opinion. No one's poking any eyes out.
People choose to take offense or they choose not to take offense, I can't control how people view my opinions. Should I not express an opinion because a few might get offended? I'm all for getting things off your chest, its how I was brought up.
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Although I tease the system wonks, the awful truth is I can see some potential value in pivoting.

In fact, I think in a less conscious form it's probably a pretty common way to get from "pretty close" to "right on" when aiming.

As a conscious and deliberate final step in the aiming process it could also function as a "trigger" to maximize focus at the crucial time.

pj
chgo

(I also see some potential value in a two-line reference system, but that's another thread.)
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Although I tease the system wonks, the awful truth is I can see some potential value in pivoting.

In fact, I think in a less conscious form it's probably a pretty common way to get from "pretty close" to "right on" when aiming.

As a conscious and deliberate final step in the aiming process it could also function as a "trigger" to maximize focus at the crucial time.

pj
chgo

(I also see some potential value in a two-line reference system, but that's another thread.)
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WTF?! Either you're starting to go pansy ass after all these years or trying to get us to put our guard down for an end around attack.

Maybe one day if you ever spent as much on table time as you do on keyboard time you could actually see for yourself how Hal's 3 Line (angle) aiming system worked for EVERY angle shot on the table with pivots for "shishkebob". It's so simple but so deadly and effective with only 3 aim lines and a pivot.

(it almost sounds like, "I was wrong after all these years" but in a far more subtle form without the actual admission. I love how you used the word "tease" to soften 19 years worth of "criticize", "blister", "demean", "rip apart", "shred" ...) (need to get the Thesaurus out for the remaining 500)
 
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All the potential stroke flaws you mentioned in the OP aren't exclusive to pivot based aiming. I started working on my stroke well before I ever tried CTE, and as a novice player I still have to devote time to it.

The value to the pivot based aiming systems that drew me towards CTE in the first place was always having a visible portion of the OB and CB to aim with. With GB the and CP2CP this becomes increasingly more difficult as the shot thins.

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Pidge said:
Should I not express an opinion because a few might get offended? I'm all for getting things off your chest, its how I was brought up.
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Do you feel better now? What good did it do to get it off your chest with nothing of value getting into your brain about the subject? Who's loss is it, ours who know about pivoting and will continue to do it for POOL of yours who knows nothing but wants to spout off that it serves no purpose in SNOOKER? You walked out of here the same way you came in but at least you're a few pounds lighter. Good for you, thank your parents and environment you grew up in.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Do you feel better now? What good did it do to get it off your chest with nothing of value getting into your brain about the subject? Who's loss is it, ours who know about pivoting and will continue to do it for POOL of yours who knows nothing but wants to spout off that it serves no purpose in SNOOKER? You walked out of here the same way you came in but at least you're a few pounds lighter. Good for you, thank your parents and environment you grew up in.
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Lol.

So quick to reel off the "you know nothing" line.

I have Stan's DVD's, I have spent countless hours working with it. I was successful with it, and yet I found it a waste of time. Aiming isn't difficult enough to warrant twisting and sweeping and all that other kind of mumbo jumbo.

Where did I say it serves no purpose in snooker? All I hinted towards was of it did serve a purpose in snooker, or pool for that matter then why the hell aren't all the guys at the top of their disciplines using a pivot based aiming method? In fact, why aren't the top amateurs down to the piss poor bangers using it in snooker of it serves some kind of purpose? If pivot based aiming systems were all that you make out, why aren't more people using them? Shit, someone like Ronnie O'Sullivan or a Chris Melling have absolutely perfect fundamentals. Wouldn't they want the chance to use an aiming system that means they aim perfectly every single shot? They couldn't possibly lose with their fundamentals and a pivot based aiming system... Why aren't they all over this shit? Because its bogus. It gets you in the ball park for a pot and a person fine tunes the final aim point from there via subconscious movements. That's the thing with the subconscious... You don't know you're doing it.

#brainwashed
 
Pidge said:
Lol.

So quick to reel off the "you know nothing" line.
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Based on multiple posts you've made in this thread, you KNOW NOTHING about pivoting whether when or how to use it and where it's appropriate.

Just a rock headed know it all. Stick to snooker and all of your snooker top pro heroes.

(I wonder how many pool players from the US or Canada go into snooker forums and tell the members they don't know what the hell they're doing and should or shouldn't be playing the way they do. Please post a link if it does occur)
 
SpiderWebComm said:
WTF?! Either you're starting to go pansy ass after all these years or trying to get us to put our guard down for an end around attack.
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You've had your guard up? Wow. What must it look like when you don't?

Maybe one day if you ever spent as much on table time as you do on keyboard time
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Wanna bet I spend more time practicing and playing pool every day than you do?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
He's just standing in for the Sarge...
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Pro 1 doesn't have a manual pivot. But Pidge has no clue about pivots of any kind for other systems as well as BHE.

Even if he did he doesn't use them because Pidge is a Champeen Snooka Playa, you know. And Snooka Playas don't need pivots since they have perfectly straight strokes and alignment with their chin right on the shaft at all times. The deep clefts in their chin from all the years of friction and erosion don't allow for a pivot. The cue can only go straight back and straight through.
 
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Pidge said:
Lol.

So quick to reel off the "you know nothing" line.

I have Stan's DVD's, I have spent countless hours working with it. I was successful with it, and yet I found it a waste of time. Aiming isn't difficult enough to warrant twisting and sweeping and all that other kind of mumbo jumbo.

Where did I say it serves no purpose in snooker? All I hinted towards was of it did serve a purpose in snooker, or pool for that matter then why the hell aren't all the guys at the top of their disciplines using a pivot based aiming method? In fact, why aren't the top amateurs down to the piss poor bangers using it in snooker of it serves some kind of purpose? If pivot based aiming systems were all that you make out, why aren't more people using them? Shit, someone like Ronnie O'Sullivan or a Chris Melling have absolutely perfect fundamentals. Wouldn't they want the chance to use an aiming system that means they aim perfectly every single shot? They couldn't possibly lose with their fundamentals and a pivot based aiming system... Why aren't they all over this shit? Because its bogus. It gets you in the ball park for a pot and a person fine tunes the final aim point from there via subconscious movements. That's the thing with the subconscious... You don't know you're doing it.

#brainwashed
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Let me see if I'm understanding something correctly.

The same guy who is giving a :thumbup::thumbup: to someone's post deriding pivots for pool is the same guy arguing for the benefits of a swoop stroke in another thread.

And he's the one always throwing out the words "logic" or "logical"??!!

I mean, WTF??!!
 
SpiderWebComm said:
...it almost sounds like, "I was wrong after all these years"
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I didn't say there's value in using the technique in an overwrought "system" like CTE - just that the technique by itself might have some value. I think being included in CTE buries it in nonsense that robs it of some value.

pj
chgo
 
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